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Bots and RMT (Renamed)

General Discussion
#1

The root cause of BOTS is RMT.

Yet, people say bots should be more prioritized by imc. they should be both prioritized. Stopping RMT alone stops bots because there would be no more profit to botting.

RMT is like a game where it is PAY 2 WIN. we all know what happens to games that are pay to win. RMT is like that just a different host and not the company running the game. still think RMT is not that bad or less evil than botting?

Yes people have used RMT for like Tuition fees for school or to get scholarships. Then again RMT is illegal. “The End does not Justify the Means”

What I am about to show you are people who engage in RMT. They have a facebook group. I joined because i thought it would be a market for people to have set deals through ingame money and items without the use of Real Money. Boy was i wrong.

They even said they will not be wavered by the report function because they can just rush sell the item in market before enough reports will go through to take down the item.

Yes they are Filipinos and I am one as well. They are one of the reasons why we, the legit players, suffers these limitations just to prevent RMTs.

Name of the Group in FB

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You can see here items being sold in Real Money PhP

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Here is a post about the new patch coming tomorrow. I did not capture the comment section but pretty much all it was is they are saying they are not afraid of the new system to counter RMT and gave solutions to go over around it.

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Just another list of selling in game items for money money money haha.

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Well, i’m a bit disappointed for my countrymen. Some of the people here use the money for tuition? I’m not sure if thats true though. I hate RMT/BOTS/HACKERS. TO HELL WITH THEM.

PS: i didnt create this thread in the report section because i dont have any of their IGNs to report. Still looking though. I’m sure some of the member of that group will see this post. Screw them.

@STAFF_John @STAFF_Ethan @STAFF_Ines @STAFF_Max

@jjaypee0529
Update: found something

TN: Shox (i am not entirely sure as the picture quality in fb is horrendous)

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TN: Mapanganib (this one im pretty sure its the TN)

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I found an RMT group in facebook
#2

They will stop when the freaking community stop buying their services…freaking people are sinking their own boat.

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#3

yup, if there are no customers, there there wouldnt be sellers. no solution at all since you can’t control the community on what they do outside the game

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#4

why u fuking have to brought up their race? and you also said that your one of them?

/logic

#5

You sir, clearly did not understand a single word i have just typed in this post.

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#6

He didn’t say ALL filipinos are like that, did he? Therefore he didn’t imply nor can we conclude from that that he also is a RMTer (or racist or w/e you meant with your post when you talked about race).

/lrn2read

#8

RMT will end when a company begins banning the buyers. Sellers will always make more accounts and it’s no big deal when a game is free to play. Once a company establishes a reputation of banning buyers that makes buyers hesitant to lose all of their work, then we will see a real decline of RMT.

Every day I check moderator posts and look at the accounts banned. What do I see? “bot” and “goldseller”. I crave for the day that there’s a list of 100 “goldbuyer” on that list. Put the fear into those that want to get ahead with money.

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#10

Especially as well if they list the team names of the people who were banned for RMT. On iRO, the GMs used to make a list of the people who botted (without censor) and participated in RMT. I’m sure it was a major embarrassment to have your name up there.

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#12

i am currently on a mission to lurk in that group and get evidence that he BUYS item through real money. with enough evidence they should be able to ban the buyer. so far they are careful

#13

im not even sure why they try to sensor the names :frowning:
they ruin the game and imc lets them save face? =.="

#14

Even with the partial censor, you will recognize the names of the big players in the game. There really are not that many players that have reached level 200+, so you can say that within this small community it’ll be very easy to shame those that participate in buying through RMT.

#15

But there is no evidence that shows that IMC actually has ever banned a buyer.

There is an obvious concern that the people that buy gold have money, and people with money will likely also purchase things through your in game shop (provided that it’s unobtainable through other means). I have an impression that IMC would prefer to make things inconvenient for RMT sellers, but will not do anything to upset RMT buyers because they are also IMC’s customers.

My personal opinion is that you can get away with banning several hundred or thousand RMT buyers, make the rest of them feel that RMT is no longer worth it because now they have nothing, some of them will charge back on the sellers hurting them, and then those players that want to RMT buy will now have to buy TP and sell tokens to other players. They’ll still have a method to get ahead in game with real money, but now it makes tokens cheaper for the rest of us and IMC gets paid.

This also prevents the awful inflation that comes about when bots are injecting way more gold than the players are capable of creating through “human” means. When a single bot can outperform the daily efficiency of 20 players and it’s easy to run hundreds of bots, if they don’t have an outlet to use that gold, it will no longer be worth it for them to operate the bots.

#16

We cannot stop RMT sellers, just as we cannot stop people from buying from RMT.

That’s physically impossible because transactions are made outside of the game, in a domain IMC cannot control.

The best thing IMC can do about this situation is to stop botters, which are the main source of in-game silver generation for RMTers. IMC has been working on that in their own ways to try and prevent botting.

RMT always existed and will probably never cease to exist in any mmorpg game.

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#17

then that is just sad :frowning:

how about RMTers who dont use bot? im pretty sure some of them dont use bot and got the items for sale in a legit way. the problem is, they sell it in real money.

#18

It’s rather easy to implicate two players that trade a Manamana with another item of nonequivalent value as a buyer and seller. IMC already has an impression of what the average value of an item should be based upon the market. Compare trades between players, when there is a considerable difference in value, then look at chat history, friends list duration, etc. There will be some false flags when trading Templeshooter for Talt, but it’s easy to verify that the card battle occurred.

#19

Then they would need to monitor the Player to Player Trade more i guess? i think this happened in DN where when you traded too much gold in P2P trade you can be banned. Imc should do this

#20

Give mananana to a friend of yours = banned.

It’s not that simple as you’re thinking. They cannot assume all unbalanced trades (much more value on one side than another) are RMT trades.

#21

The 48 hour delay before you can collect Silver from the Market is supposedly so that they have time to interject in RMT trading.

#22

you have a good point… hmmmmmmmmmm. fvck no solution to this XD

#23

Rmters that use the trade system are hard to stop
The modify on market could stop mainly the gold sellers. They could buy the item asap to avoid it, but a simple change that will not affect nothing given the actual restrictions on market can solve it