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If i crit often is better crit attack or phys attack?(hair accessory) also red vs yellow gem?

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#41

Reilet is this

if your critchance is “more than” 49.47% go Yellow
if your critchance is “less than” 49.47% go Red
**Can you clear these for me?

sorry lol just perception confusion. Usually formulas are written X>Y where X is greater than Y. Hope you know what i mean. Love your maths by the way. THanks

PS: I’m biased towards Red gem lol haha XD that’s why i want to clarify since i have more than 49% critrate hue3x

#42

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#43

That is correct. Sorry, I tend to use signs to shorten words for math since I’m in a high math class.

i guess it’s more correct to look at it like this

X = crit chance

  • If X > 49.47%, then choose yellow
  • If X < 49.47%, then choose red.
#45

Thanks! Math was one of my major subject too lol.

So are these values based on overall dmg output or overall effectiveness?

I’ve read how you come up with these values. And these just plain red vs yellow gem values right?

However some additional questions if you may

Red Gem

  • Does the max attack given by the red gems scale with Skill attributes and Weapon transcend?
  • I’ve seen a couple of pictures where a player added just one plain 6star red gem (240 maxattack) and they claimed that their critical dmg output was upgrade to +3k.

Yellow Gem

  • Yellow gem values are flat? Just add to the dmg after crit? so one (1) 6 star gem will give you +360 dmg when you crit straight forward?
#46

may i ask, how is the computation for the highlander crit atk attribute and the fencer skill that increases crit atk?

is it computed after you crit? or is inserted somewhere along the line before final damage shows?

i’m asking these questions to know what gems to use for these classes. Because if it the attributes are computed after you crit, id be using yellow gems. (im using the karacha set bonus as an example because it multiplies the damage to 3x after the whole damage computation for BS)

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#49

welp, it sucks if yellow gem calculation is after

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#51

Both yellow and red gets multiplied by skill attributes.

There are exceptions though. For example, if it’s something like cloaking or split shot then only red will benefit.

I dont know whether transendence affects gems or not. I would assume no though.

I guess overall damage output?

Just plain red gem value vs yellow gem value


For a red gem to give 3k attack from a base of 210 we have a few multipliers going on.

  • the first is critting: 1.5x
  • enhance attribute: assume max level 2x
  • we are left with some kind of multiplier that totals 5x. Easiest example would be snipe + butt stroke 3x * 2x

Taking all of that into consideration, then yes a red gem can boost damage by 3k, but don’t let that fool you because a yellow gem would look exactly the same (3k boost from yellow as well).


Yellow gem. Technically, yes thats what the yellow gem does. Add a flat amount of damage after you crit. But that said amount is also multiplied by every modifier that comes later like skill/target/common/enhance modifiers. Just like red gems.

The reason why yellow gems are generally superior is that even when you multiply the red gem by 1.5 (crit) it equals to essentially the same amount as what a yellow gem gave you normally.

P.s no quoting cuz phone.

@Mawsiee
iirc, highlander crit atk passive is directly applied to the crit attack in your status window. I’m not 100% positive about this.

Epee guard is supposed to be a direct damage boost to crit damage. Something like normal crit damage 150%. Epee guard level 5 makes your crit damage to 250% or something similar. However, someone has been doing tests with it and says it goes under the common modifier category in which case is after crit attack.

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#53

no one here actually mentioned about red gems and glass mole interaction?

if you are a dps using glass mole clearly red gems are the better choice.

#54

That’s close enough. The only thing is that green gems are pretty much useless at this point.

Because high str, low dex + green gems is a lower stat total than high dex, low str + red gems.

Inb4theybuffstrandintscalingby10x

@ri0ti0ri
I have, post 30 or 31 of this thread.

Essentially, glass mole w/ red gem gives a slightly higher max damage than yellow gems, but the average damage you do is still lower than a yellow gem.

It’s nice for playing with your luck and trying for rng mega burst, but it’s not good for classes that hit a lot.

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#56

Now im torn if I should go with red gems and full dex then probably will be IMC’ed once they buff str

If only i can foresee the future :expressionless:

#57

I’m a little annoyed at what imc has been doing lately. First it was dex dominant, then hybrid, then str dominant, then dex dominant, then hybrid, then str again, and now it’s back at dex.

Like, make up your minds imc.

#58

Ikr… IMC is the best troll in this game

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#60

A period means she has times when she can get pregnant. I don’t want a kid this early…

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