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IDK bout you peeps,but fellas, I think P2P is the best way for this game to endure and survive in MMO harsh market

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#113

well true… but with the arguements of having this for the others, P2P, and the others, F2P, thy’re just gonna clash! clash! and clash!

im not againts p2p like in my previous reply… but if this game goes to it… then so be it… its all the game devs decision anyways and further more i support F2P!

in line on 2 server posibilities i said… it can be 1 server! devided by 2 channels! or some sort… that way, p2p and f2ps pros can interact… but theres also the benefit of an p2p player for new content making them ch1 at server only exclusive to them! and ch2 were only for f2p players were over time earn enough money to gain access to ch1… which is the updated part of the server… well this is complicated to make though in my opinion…

single server, multiple channel…may divide players, but theres a merrit there also… they can cater both the F2P people and pro P2Ps!

but thats just my opinion and bias to F2P games! XD

#114

I agree that catering the game to both the financially well to do and financially limited is critically important.

#115

well this will generate more problems in the future… so i think we’ll have to have a reliable devs… other wise… people will just disapear 1 by 1 @_@" and i dont want ToS to fail! certainly not!

hmm question… is there any 2D if not 2.5D game MMO that lasted long as P2P to current date? i know Ro 1st was P2P in PH… but they go F2P… then shutdown( transfered to iRo) recently due to the fact they say"they cant compete with modern games… 3D games"(if im not mistaken)

but i know ToS will just do fine, may it be B2P/P2P/F2P/anything2P/etc…
contents! just bring in amusing/intersting contents! player always want somthing new! then they’ll give u the money for that… >_<"

#116

p2p bothers me only in that whenever I feel like taking a break from the game it feels like i’m wasting my money. Which leads to my source of entertainment sometimes feeling like a chore… (one reason why I quit ffxiv.) :money_with_wings: :joy:

That being said, i’d still play even if they chose that method, especially if the monthly price was under 15$! (I’d definitely play for a while at least.)

f2p with cash shop seems like the safest option for mmo’s these days as almost all the last few big mmo’s I’ve personally seen release recently as p2p have later gone f2p/b2p – I also think b2p with cash shop seems like a happy medium that many could work with, but it’s still exclusive of some. I want everyone to be able to enjoy ToS, but I won’t deny that i’ll accept whatever they choose so I can finally get my hands on this game! :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

#118

What new MMO only has one server? Honestly, I’ve never heard of such a thing. Unless you mean for the beta test??

#119

Haha, I thought so, too ! At least people in this thread are a bit more open-minded.

#120

Oh boy, this is not what you said at all, nor how “if” works. You’re just copy-pasting things without context.

You said that if the publisher decides to go P2P, then it means the game is only for rich smart guys, but there’s no correlation between those ideas. If they decide that it should be P2P, it doesn’t automatically mean they’re segregating between who is smart or rich enough or not to play their game. I actually was taking this as a irony reaction the first time you said this, but then you just insisted on the idea on the next post, which makes it look like this is actually your point.

Not only that, but I actually chuckled with your link to rules to parlimentary debate. If anything it actually convinced me to make an offtopic post like this.

#121

Ragnarok itself survived for almost 5 years since it’s release in Korea I think, Gravity basically started to panic after the first RO2 flopped still in beta.

Plus, just to add some to the discussion, I think the brazilian RO server lost about half of it’s population when it changed from pure P2P to P2P+F2P servers. That was the figure used back in 2007~8, I can’t remember how accurate it is. But it definitively lost players in the process. Yes, the F2P model was awful, but that can happen, like I pointed out multiple times, to every game which the publisher thinks can’t return a profit without extreme monetization and is something that still happens to a lot of games today. Not only that, but notice the P2P server was still ative, but with about 1/4 of it’s original population (a lot of people quit, another bunch migrated to F2P) it was nothing compared to before.

#122

I pretty sure I said if ToS implemented revenue streams as @azebu95 prefers, his preference quoted above, that he would rather have ToS free of “kids and entitled cheapskates” and is populated by “smart guys” who can make monthly payments.

The rest is purely of your own interpretation, never stated nor implied by me. Do what you will with your own interpretations. I have also never mentioned P2P as an absolute no-no, and have mentioned that it works on specific circumstances.

I will kindly take exit from this thread as I have expressed my ideas sufficiently, and have nothing else to contribute to this thread.

#123

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#124

uhh…has anyone agreed on anything so far?? :dizzy_face: there’s too much text at this point to bother reading it all lol

#125

The debate is still going between P2P,F2P,B2P. I summarize that most people here do not prefer P2P.

#126

I saw one reason people dislike P2P (not here, somewhere else) is because they have to pay the game twice. Buy the game (and each expansion), and pay the subscription.
But what if you don’t have to buy the game, just paying the subs. Like RO in the past.

And speaking of RO’s P2P era, how much did it cost back then in iRO? And other servers too maybe? It was around 6~7 USD/month (using 2003ish exchange rate) in idRO back then iirc.

#127

iRO at most was $12/mo. (if you only bought 1 month at a time) and at least $10/mo. (if you bought the 6-month deal). They also offered a 30-hour subscription ($7), which could be stretched over several months if you really try (which I did and ended up paying about $14/yr. to play :P).

#128

I like warframe’s system.
UBER cosmetics option, but all important items that can be purchased conveniently can also be obtained in REGULAR events (weekly/monthly, not annual). Not too hard to get either.

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#129

Agreed!
But please, no bitchass megacar riding loli. (READ: Dragon Nest bullshit & illogical mounts).

#130

I read in my country’s DN, publishers are gonna add UFOs as mounts xD.

#131

I feel like OP created this thread for pointless banter when he knows the obvious answer is F2P, or stretching it, B2P.
Seriously ask yourselves does ToS deserve the P2P treatment?

Someone pointed out one important thing above.
Most gamers will go with P2P scheme provided that those games actually worth their money.

People also cited FF14.
Great and engaging story, amazing visuals, exciting raids, new contents every 3 months, generally shitloads of stuffs to do in game when you’re not grinding. It’s money well spent for me.
WoW is, well, being WoW.

Games like AION and TERA failed their P2P model because once you hit endgame pvp and RvR, there’s nothing else to do in the game and it’s not updated fast enough.

Now ToS? Any of you honestly think the content is enough to warrant a P2P treatment?

Please don’t wear your nostalgia “but previously RO was P2P” goggle.
That was RO back when there were literally no competitors, this is ToS presently with tons of F2P competitors.
Presently we have tons of F2P MMO that can provide similar or even better entertainment value than the old RO.

If you want to go P2P and survive in the current market, your game needs to be as solid as FF14 and WoW.

#132

Dude, you and I are in the same country. Apparently true that they’ll add UFO. Seriously, I still tolerate dragon mounts since it is ‘Dragon’ Nest. But cars? In a rather medieval game? NOPE.

#133

Meh, my short-term memory is rather funny. I tend to forget things, so my bad then x_x
Btw, yep. I did laugh when I found people riding cars in DN while playing CN server. Why on earth would they put that kind of ‘mount’. They even have discoballs in it.