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iCBT is as it should be

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#1

Before reading the following, understand that this is all coming from someone that did not receive a beta key.

From looking at the forums and watching streams, the method that the ToS Team has been orchestrating the beta process of ToS is perfectly correct. The randomized (excluding translators, you people are awesome) beta key give-away and the iCBT1 low exp rate from my perspective makes perfect sense and the ToS Team definitely has their reasons for doing so.

From my perspective, the reason behind having 5k beta keys randomly handed out to people is because it is a good way to handle the “foot in the door” situation with many players. Instead of only giving it to die-hard players only, people with little to no idea of this game or without any past experiences (i.e. RO) can get a first impression and potentially give feedback as to how enjoyable it was for them. Yes I saw his stream, famous people like summit1g did end up getting a beta. Regardless of how he obtained it, he has one so for all you streamers, stop whining on forums that you should get one since someone probably more visibly famous than you is already doing more than enough marketing for the beta.

Why aren’t they giving any more beta keys to people?
-Because this gives them a good figure as to how people decided to hop onto the beta test, short and simple. It’s the first international beta test in many to come so please do not whine or beg.

Regarding the Low Exp Rate, The main focus of this iCBT is to help with early game translations and bug fixes, NOT for a full game play-through. They never intended for you to reach end game or else it would not be only for a week. What they wanted was to get feedback regarding game mechanics, getting help translating content, fixing small bugs, and testing how well Steam supports their game. Understanding human nature would imply that there would be many of you would want to skip everything and boost yourself into end game content as fast as possible. That would mean the possibility of players speeding through dialogue that would require a proper review. The point of this CBT is to make the early game smooth and flawless so that in the future, people who decide to try ToS will have the best possible early game experience and hopefully continue to play the game.

Please keep in mind that this is the First iCBT. ToS has yet to even enter Open Beta. Do not start comparing the tests with the kCBT as translations are not required in their testing. Late game is possibly full of untranslated texts right now so every English word you see in game from quests, items, to NPC names would probably be in Korean. In future iBTs I’m sure that the exp rates would be more lenient so that later content could be reached by testers to help translate/debug.

Other issues
Grindfest? - there is a exp wall so once you reach it, why not try a new class or explore?
Botting? - I saw on a steam a person standing in one location constantly spamming the normal attack. Why not post a topic regarding a suggestion of randomized/area-specific spawning to prevent afk bots

I really didn’t want to post something like this because I was hoping the community would be more mature. I myself have been so hyped for this game yet I don’t see a need to look like a fool. If you really wish to play this game so badly, contribute by translating, speed up the process so release comes sooner. If you believe your linguistic skills are underdeveloped, take a break from looking at the forums and do something productive in your life so you can come back with a better mindset. There is a definite wipe of testing data anyway so unless your foolish enough to whine and beg for admins to not wipe the data, relax.

TL:DR
To the people that did not receive a key

  • stay positive, stay informed, be patient, and enjoy the music

To all testers

  • think positively as you are currently the privileged few that can help improve the game.
    - make posts on the feedback and suggestions sections since your input is more useful there
    - there of course will be a wipe, so try/explore everything you can and enjoy the music
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#2

I’m not privileged, I’m a costumer… I am the final objective to any game developer, My experience in game is key. And my experience in this game was terrible. Hours upon hours of hitting the same mobs in the same areas trying to find a blue one, hoping even. Stop making excuses for the devs, there is nothing that having a bigger exp rate would affect negatively in the test.

P.S: So hitting areas 15+ levels higher than you to continue the main quest is as it should be? Yeah, no.

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#3

its a “Closed Beta Test” which means they are still testing the game, and should not reflect the final version of the game, so if your unhappy with this version of the game and cant handle it you should be a tester really, you need to under stand that things will change in future version of the game

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#4

That is no damn excuse, By showing my frustation I am allowing the dev team to know what needs to be changed and why, if everyone went around saying “It’s okay, it’s just the beta, it will change.” Nothing would change… you shouldn’t be a beta tester then because you don’t get what it means.

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#5

Because you don’t like something it doesn’t mean it should be changed, btw.

#6

Because a lot of people don’t like something it means it should be changed, btw which means I should let my concerns be known, i’m not a lapdog i’m a person.

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#7

just sick of people been so negative about a great game because its in beta and the exp is so low, many people have put it out there before that the exp is low for a reason and they are just getting us to test stuff

#8

A stupid reason, forgot that part.

#9

if you don’t want to be thought of as lapdog you should change your picture, because i thought you were a lapdog :dizzy_face:

#10

Haha yeah, got me there hahaahaha :smile:

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#11

Also keep in mind, this is CBT… there will be bugs,mishaps along the way and its normal… Make sure you report them! the more fixes during CBT the faster OBT comes…

and if your done playing TOS and want others to try, feel free to msg me :stuck_out_tongue:

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#12

This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden.

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#13

People that didn’t play it just won’t get it, it’s simply not rewarding at all, the grind, the quests. It gets old pretty fast and that’s supposed to be 5% of the game that we are playing.

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#14

I should have asked readers of my topic to take my opinion with a grain of salt, what you have done above is in my perspective, one of the ways to “explore” the game. I know from looking at the streams and beta forum feedback section that the game is limited in terms of vastness of world due to the levelling difficulty but progressing into end game is only one way to approach any given beta. What you did however is explore the possibilities of character build variations that is key in this genre of games.

Don’t rule me out just because I’m not a “beater”. What you are implying is that given only a week of beta testing, your saying that everything in the game should have been readily available for you to progress into end game content. If you have never translated anything before, you would understand that it would be impossible given what should be and should not be ready for the public. I am not sure if you have even read this but I will post this link here regarding what the admin has publicly announced regarding the exp situation.

If too lazy to click on the link, it basically shows the community’s view on the exp situation, and is responded with how the community should not be influenced by the kCBT since that beta does not require any translations but is for bug fixing in later content. You are MEANT TO HIT AN EXP WALL.

what I am trying to tell you, is that even I, someone who is not a “beater”, hope that anyone interested in this game should not blindly rant when your opinions are already addressed in a more appropriate location on the forums.

#15

Well I wonder who ever said that ■■■■ about “reaching end game content / level cap in a week” that now people like you keep using as one of the fundamentals for your opinions.

If you put a little more effort into understanding what problem people are actually trying to point out then you will understand that they are actually giving valid feedback not complaining. The feedbacks are not about them not being able to reach all the contents they want in one week, they are talking about several serious issues which are caused and related to the unreasonable slow leveling process. Slow leveling, grindy but enjoyable is good, no one would complain about that but ToS as I think is having an unreasonable slow leveling process at a wrong phase, it gives a bad early impression to players, makes skills useless, limits the variety of character types, forces many people into grinding on the same maps which results in KS’ing all over the places, it kills the feeling of being rewarded for your effort, it kills the fun of exploring, kills the novelty of the class system, breaks the immersion of the adventure, it hinders potential contents, many more to talk about. That is why it is bad! Yes it is a serious problem that I consider a game killing one. It also is related to game-play mechanics which as you already said that we are supposed to give feedback about. So what is the problem? People just do what they were asked to do.

Of course feedback about negative experiences about the game ain’t a fun thing to read so you wouldn’t like it but it doesn’t make those invalid or unreasonable. You don’t think that we should only talk about things which sound good to your ears? The ones being unreasonable and immature are people like you. You know with many things to make players love a game but only one thing that make players hate it can totally destroy the game, because negative things impact us much stronger than the positive ones. That’s why the problem has to be stated, it has to be fixed!

Why is it a problem? People have been trying explain the answer in a logical manner in many posts, you being a reasonable and mature person need to put some effort in reading them and trying to understand before continue with your opinions.

You yourself are being foolish OP. Yes this is my opinion. You are telling people are wrong, immature, foolish and those shits without any real experience about the problem yourself.

I care and love the game that is why I am passion enough to say all this, because I believe if the game keeps going like this it will fail and you will stop being “hyped” for it too. If you experimented the problem yourself I believe you will say differently.

Yes I don’t know as much about the game as the designers that is why it helps my points being more objective, if I feel something negative about the game then many other players may as well feel the same as me, which is already showed by a lot of negative feedback on the same topic from many different players who are looking forward to the game just as much as you do. The only goal is to make the game as much enjoyable as possible to players (beside being profitable to those in charge), if the game is not as enjoyable as it should be then no matter what you or anyone have to say, it needs to be fixed purely for the sake of the game itself. If many say there is something wrong with the game then it is much safer to listen to them.

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#16

I will keep this short and simple just to make my point clear since you literally took a narrow view of my post and threw everything else away.

  • testers, Not All, are spamming the regular general discussion forum regarding exp rates being too low = game sucks, all that noise.

  • non testers, Not All, are spamming forum whining and begging for keys.

  • testers should be, like many great testers, submitting their feedback and suggestions into the beta feedback section where it actually matters and their opinions will be heard.

  • testers Should Also, read other testers threads in the beta feedback section so they could constructively make important issues know

  • non testers should be patiently awaiting the next beta in hopes to help contribute.

THAT, is literally what my perspective of the situation is. I know there are many issues that are making the game hard to be played. But for goodness sakes, it’s the FIRST CLOSED BETA. Beta’s are meant to make the game better, nothing is set in stone. if you say that you notice something that is game-killing, FANTASTIC! report this situation in the beta feedback/suggestion forum and everyone that agrees will like your topic, admins/developers will take notice, and your issue will be handled for the next beta. Do not rant about in the general discussion section where only moderators review.

My main point: Post your Concern in the correct forum section.

#17

You should go to sleep imo.

Not gonna lie, I’ve been reading the forums and I see you saying the same in every thread and on top of that accusing people stupidily about things just because they are saying the opposite thing (or if they aren’t on the beta).

You know what? I got my key, I’ve been playing just like you and I do not share your opinion, because as I had the feeling everything was planned as you can read on that link OP left, which is actually AN OFFICIAL ANSWER TO OUR CONCERNS.

Now stop trying to pressure the company to follow “the masses” because that’s not how any development of ANYTHING works afaik, they need feedback but that doesn’t mean they should follow every single word on it (Even tho they clarified on their response that they have read everything everyone complained about exp so you should be happy?)

Stop being negative and pushy, the community was heard even if they don’t change ■■■■. Now go to try enjoy the game and discorver new things or please sleep because after all your posts you clearly need it. Peace.

#18

There are issues I feel that stem from poor interactions.

  • Why not just specify the content tests by day? Like request everyone to re-run from 1-25 for day 1 as many times as possible? No need for ultra-heavy hour-by-hour interactions, easy to announce.
  • Why go through the effort of reducing xp this much if in the end it seems everyone is still just trying to blindly grind through it. The quest experience changes slightly but I can’t say it’s any different than if I were 10 levels higher.
  • There’s too many grammar issues. Like no one did much proofreading. (who confirmed the translations…?)
  • There’s no need for any more feedback threads because everything that needs saying has been said and bugs that need fixing are often reported through the in-game system anyway.
  • The fact people are yelling bloody murder all over the forums is not a problem in itself. It only becomes so when people actually try to tell them they’re in the wrong for making complaints. The complaining itself is a form of feedback.

In my case, I’ve been with the upper 10% of players and decided to stop testing for now.
There’s just nothing to test.
If they want translations tested, low xp rate is in the way.
If they want steam integration… why does xp even matter.
If they want specific content bugs, the low xp is also in the way.
If they want to test level scaling… they DEFINITELY have their answer.
Broken content is definitely more noticeable at this pace… but at this point they’re so minor or obvious there’s no real need to slow down to see them. (minor as not a problem for release, obvious as it’s been reported a ridiculous number of times)

p.s. Nobody should have time for this beta.
I am skipping all my work, no showers, eating one meal a day and 5 hours of sleep to even keep it up.

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#19

You are right. I do feel like I am being heated more than I should be and obstinate in wanting to “prove” that I am right.

I have been repeatedly talking about the same things over and over again that is why I am so pissed. Despite all the effort in explaining many still reject in trying to understand. They can disagree with me but I don’t accept any saying that I am not doing my responsibility as a tester and just complain because I don’t have my fun. (Well I do want to have fun too). Reading these posts is very frustrating and it’s hard to keep silent.

I am noting and filtering a list a bugs, mistranslations and stuffs which I will wait for some more days before reporting them unless I encounter a critical one. This is to avoid reporting the same issues as others which might become a hinder to the staffs. Of all of the list of problems I have encountered, from bugs to mistranslations and connection issues, some are very frustrating, none makes me worry and frustrated as close as this problem we have been talking about. Knowing this is the developers’ intention makes me feel… so scared. Well actually when you said that I just realized I am being pushy. Personally I invested a lot of emotion into ToS even before playing it, that was my fault.

So thank you for reminding me that I also am pushing my opinions into others (some of them push theirs to my face too). But consider my limited first hand experiences with the overall game-play, it just appear to me that many years of development might lose a lot of their values for such a stupid reason. As the current state, ToS is much better than many other MMO games but I feel like it is nowhere as near as where it could actually be. This feels just so… so… Well, you are right that I need to stop so see you guys later. :expressionless:

Wait! Lemme write one more paragraph… I do like the overall of the game but just because of the exp curve that now I started to have some deeply negative feelings about it. I ■■■■■■■ HATE YOU RUDE KS’ERS!!! If the games ain’t that slow early on people wouldn’t be as so desperate as to KS that much. I wandered around a little and found there are several maps which have the same level but they are all later into the game. Now look back at the supposed early maps, there ain’t much options so leveling spots are very overpopulated. This problem is just so obvious why do people have to explain so much yet some still don’t seem to get it??!

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