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I think I know why "IMC don't care"

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#1

After some thought about iTOS’ problems, I think it ALL boils down to one thing and one thing only:
Under staffing, that goes for both dev and GMs.

I feel that the GMS and the dev DOES care about this game, but we know that they are not in control of the finances. I won’t be surprise that all these issues are placed on the backs of several very exhausted coders.

The executives, like most easter mmo, simply care about making the most money with the lease about funding. They are not invested in TOS as a game, but rather as a project that bridges to other project. With that said, as long as there constant production (i.e. tos mobile) they can let this gamd slowly die.

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#2

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#3

Its scary how quickly we turn people to the dark side here, a few weeks ago Lionly was an upstanding citizen.

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#4

Is that event man. It speaks volume on the capacity of the devs and GM team. It really reminds me of the time when I worked for a clinic that was shifting to another location. It was just skeleton crew face tanking a huge patient flow. And I remember being told that there is nothing the “higher ups can do”.

And that is also why I don’t think raging against the GMS will help. They are getting fk as much as we are.

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#5

I direct my rage at IMC in-general, im an equal opportunity hater, be it the staff, gms, interns, steve the janitor etc. But yes, the GMs do seem to have their hands tied, im sure thats why we are seeing more and more quit the company.

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#6

I will drop two on top of you:

  • iToS is not understaffed but have a lacking dev team.
  • GMs are tied to the company polices, they can’t do a thing if the higher ups don’t aprove.

It’s clearly that way, kToS and jToS do have issues, but they work fast on fixing things that on iToS, still roll, and even when it is fixed, it return again after a couple of patches.

Also, we don’t have a publisher to pressure IMC in fixing stuff like kToS and jToS have.

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#7

Thats the biggest thing right now, we have examples of what tree of savior is supposed to look like, JTOS for example.

JTOS = your brain
ITOS = your brain on drugs

Now that people are seeing how quickly shi* gets done on JTOS everyone is starting to wonder wtf IMC has been doing for the past year.

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#8

Lee… Get off the Forums >_> It’s an evil place here…

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#9

It’s simple:

  • jToS/kToS with a publisher (which means the GMs and Community Managers are from Nexon, not IMC) can pressure IMC to fix stuff.
  • iToS (which is self published by the developer) don’t have that pressure since it is them that will do whenever they can.

By that, the conclusion you reach is:

  • kToS/jToS are priority due to the pressure, they have to focus on those 2 since they have a contract with a publisher.
  • iToS don’t have that, they can do things at a much slower pace, without checking and don’t need to deal with the players.

We can cry and burn the forum down all we want, but nothing will change that, not unless we get a publisher, which I doubt will happen after so much negative views on western publishers.

Also, the game almost turned P2W, but I don’t doubt that the Gacha will return, probably reworked, but still have the same crap items on it, and I wouldn’t doubt they make costumes (only premium ones) enchantable in the future, and also, requiring a enchant scroll for costumes only with a higher price.

I’m getting tired of useless info, misinformation and no information.
You might think I am trolling, but that is the actual state in here, you can try to find the info you want about patch notes in the site, but not all is there, also, some that was there, are already removed by following patches.

I still play the game, but it is getting boring and repetitive, they reduced drop/silver rates in some maps even before applying the HG patch, if this is some sort of inflation countermeasure, I feel that IMC will soon sink in debts with these retarded ideas.

Anyway, I’m still waiting to see if they wake up from this dumb dream of theirs and get this game in its original track.

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#10

I (mostly) agree with you, and I think it may go further as to why TOS was released when it was.

For months IMC has been non-stop hiring staff, starting in March. That time frame in particular is interesting as it’s right before the ITOS launch, and after KTOS had been out for a few months.

The idea is IMC didn’t have the adequate funding to fully finish, or continue developing TOS (at a reasonable rate) so they were forced to release it early. For those who watched/participated in the CBT’s, they knew the game simply wasn’t ready. The optimisation problems, the exploits, even some of the balance issues that would really stand out later in development, they were all present months before the full release, in both KTOS and then of course ITOS

IMC being under staffed makes a lot of sense, it even explains their decision to have Nexon, X2Game, ChangeYou, ect. publish in their respective regions. So what I think is IMC was struggling to get the funding they needed, were “forced” to release the game early and then after the fact go back and fix underlying issues and hire more staff members.

Tree of Savior began development, in 2009, (though I’m sure for many of those years it was just notes and concepts), but still it began draining resources a small, new, fully independent company may not have. Yes IMC had Granado Espada but it was published under HanbitSoft, so they still have commitments to them in that regard. Now we have IMC begin development of TOS, Wolf Knights, and Mobile TOS, one or multiple of these could easily run into expensive issues that a small company couldn’t account for, MMO’s are very expensive after all. With the success (at the very least initially) of KTOS, ITOS, JTOS (and others) it looks like the game overall has been a financial success, (though we might have to wait til February 10th to see in more details).

Overall, IMC may have over extended, maybe they were dealt a bad hand, but either way hiring staff is clearly a priority so I suspect they are now making the necessary revenue to try and get the personnel they’ve needed for a while.

Then again, this is all guesses so who knows what happened behind the scenes, maybe it’s funding, maybe it’s unforeseen issues, maybe it’s incompetence, maybe it’s a little bit of everything.

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#11

I can’t agree with this when we don’t even have a community manager currently.

this is probably correct, but it doesn’t mean that iToS isn’t understaffed

what happens on feb 10th? :open_mouth:

#12

iToS is not understaffed, they don’t want something like last year’s stuff happening again, you know who I am talking about, see if any other staff come here and talk like that person did? No one does, because they can’t say a thing.

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#13

Nexon yearly report, they won’t give too many details but they’ll mention TOS’s financial performance. The previous ones spoke well of both KTOS and JTOS so it’ll be interesting to see how they closed the year.

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#14

Well, you’re incorrect since they have stated that they are looking for a CM for itos and there’s the job page for it as well. :confused: They know we badly need one of course no one wants the same thing to happen as last year, and yeah I know who you’re talking about.

Aah I see, interesting. :slight_smile:

#15

Well, CM will only do the cleaning in the forums, they won’t pass any info to dev team, neither convey any info from them. So it is basically the same thing.

#16

GM Papaya mentioned one of the CM’s primary purposes is suggestions from the player base, potentially also interacting with well thought out suggestions and offering in forum feedback and counter points.

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#17

I do hope it works that way, if it end up like the other time I won’t even bother doing suggestions.

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#18

They seem to be taking their time on the selection process so let’s hope. :slight_smile: In the mean time, I’ve done my best to convey our want of Staff interaction, especially in the suggestion section.

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#19

We appreciate that thanks for the effort.

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