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I Love Tree of Savior; I Am Leaving Tree of Savior

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#258

Because he has to have some self respect in the business world as a CEO of a company. It’s actually something I expect them to say, even though most people are knowledgable to exactly what is happening since other companies have done it with other games. It does take some brass balls to come out publicly responding to a personal post with PR saying you basically dun goofed all around and still sticking to your guns.

I don’t condone a company for wanting to make money, but absolutely do not agree with cash grabbing and basically lying to people in order to screw them over for more money. If they wanted to run a model like this they should have Kickstarted for servers/development instead of what ever sphaghetti mess they did with Steam and no publishers.

It’s pretty obvious they dun goofed big time and don’t know what to do still. I honestly question if they are even capable of fixing everything after all this but willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if they are going to listen. They just need to setup a better funnel for constructive legit feedback and I’m sure people will step up help out. Also for the love of goodness have GMs in the game…

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#259

He is still a human just like you and me.
And other people working for him are humans as well.
Interaction / communication with their ‘‘customers’’ should be a common thing to do otherwise the company won’t be long lasting.

Therefore it might really have been a better idea to kickstart things instead or ask the community back in korea already before even going another step and even more steps to go to western while it is already failing in korea.
Surely it doesn’t necessarly mean it fails internationally if it fails in one country, but since korea is basically home for mmorpg and their developement, it should be taken seriously I would say.

That they wanna make money with things they love isn’t any problem. I really paid them because I had high hopes the founders server will work much better than the beta servers already which wasn’t even the case.
Then I thought> Fine, I paid them so they NOW can imrpove it at least.
Which still isn’t the case now.
And now my opinion is stated above.
End of the story.

Taking our money and then not showing anything which was worth it is simply a rip off. And I am so confident that he was one giggling over our naivity to pay for the rip off servers.

Like I say. I love the game and all that. But I definitely dislike the company and won’t ever support them in any way possible ever again. Same as the people working for it.
Otherwise they probably will never learn.

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#260

Change the serial killer to a bank robber and your analogy is fixed. Because killing someone gives you nothing unless you’re sick in your head, VS buying Gold / Robbing a bank is a bad thing but you get great value out of it.

Its really not the player’s responsibility to stop or care for gold sellers.

#261

@hkkim

I appreciate you acknowledging the issues of the game but you FAIL to mention what solutions you have for the game, which is a bit sad. You didn’t mention any roadmap or something we can expect.

I suggest people to tag him and ASK FOR SOLUTION, not some sort acknowledgement of problems WE ALREADY KNOW.

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#262

Except there’s 0 TP in the Veteran’s package, and there’s tons of things in the TP shop that are still completely unavailable for purchase because players do not have any TP. The Beginner’s pack is a slap to the face because it’s full of items everybody can easily get every day with Free TP.

Except the SEA and SA packs are the exact same price, and the EU and NA packs are also identical. You wasted half of your DLC slots for nothing, and then use the excuse that there’s no room when it’s your own fault?

Here’s what you do:

Beginner’s Pack: $30 USD - no region lock
Veteran’s Pack: $35 USD - no region lock
SEA/SA Beginner: $18 USD - region locked to SA/Asia
SEA/SA Veteran: $20 USD - region locked to SA/Asia
100 TP Bundle: $9 USD - all servers, all regions
500 TP Bundle: $45 USD - all servers, all regions
100 TP SEA/SA: $5 USD - Telsiai/Varena/Silute Only
500 TP SEA/SA: $25 USD - Telsiai/Varena/Silute Only

Look, it costs exactly the same for everyone because the SEA/SA packs are already $18 and $20, and the NA/EU packs are already $30 and $35, and you still have exactly 8 DLC, yet magically there’s also a way to purchase TP on its own. Of course, it’s once per account, but this would be a temporary solution to tide people over until the real system is implemented later.

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#263

Just do it. Is it hard?

#264

Man, look at this topic. Look at what a single post caused to the comunity.

Everyone is still interested, imagined what would happen if someone actually did that talking a lot more.

Thank you for this response, I’ll stay along with the SA server a little more time before I drop it.

This is all I’ll say about it since everything else has probably already been said.

#265

I almost feel like at this point if they really wanted more money they would hire a proper coder, web admin, and support staff to handle their business. Then setup what’s needed for logging into the website and purchasing TP for currency right there. Until then I have absolutely no incentative towards feeding them any more money because that’s the truely profressional way of doing it in the business world. I’ve already given them $120 and think that’s quite enough considering other people have done the same.

Basically I’m going to assume from what I know about Ragnarok Online server software and what Mr. Kim has said in his post the databases are such a mess this must be impossible. So we’ve got a problem telling me something like this will almost never get fixed without a major back end overhaul. That’s the second thing they need to do to convince me they are going to take this whole thing seriously fixing performance/optimization client-server side at the same time because they go hand in hand.

After ALL THAT touch back with the community on the balance issues they literally said were going to be different from kTOS. Which means going back on everything else people absolutely do not like physically limiting the game with trading, monster spawns, dungeon runs, ect.

Doing this all before the private server development beats them to it or else this game is done for indefinitely. It’s almost like some kind of reality show drama or something where you wait patiently to see the outcome.

#266

What if he’s not Hakkyu kim?

#267

Buff swordsman while you are at it.

#268

I bet IMC really love Tree of $$$avior, too. Overpriced stuff, but he talks like that founder dude shouldn’t care, because he already got a boost, so the other dumb players here are going to buy it anyway.

#269

Ironically reading hkkim’s post makes me want to quit. The boss debuff is even worse.

#270

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#271

Unsatisfied WTF was that? he didn’t even make it a news on this forum. More excuses less answers.

35$ for 1 month of a token. You don’t have to communicate with your community to know that this price is overpriced as fck. When Triple A games are being sold for 40$-50$, when the biggest game in the world has a 15$ a month subscription. This should tell you, that a game who is under development, free 2 play, massive lags, massive performance issues and massive bots and gold seller quantities do not grant your game the label of 35$ a month, close to 10$ if we love the game.
I bet that this is one of the reasons he wrote this message, they saw a huge hit in the sales since they went F2P.
And all of you out there who immediately praise the lord of ToS, remember that this is his job to say things like that, to tell us what we want to hear. Don’t fall for it and go rush and buy packs cuz you believe in this lord of tos again and you want to support them to be, “help them help us”. Be strong, hold your horses, don’t buy sh1t until the game is fixed. let them work for their earnings.

I’m a bit floored by this. They seriously didn’t bother to research how they were going to fuck1ng monetize their game?
"Oh we can just make like a million DLCs and people can buy them more than once that’ll probably work."
That was their big board meeting on how to get ToS functional in steam? And only now, several weeks after a full release and over a month after early access, now they’re realizing it won’t even work? Did none of them seriously read the fuck1ng documentation on DLC and selling stuff through steam? Geesh.
I’m kinda floored they admitted that. I like the game at its core, it’s got a lot of fun ideas and all, but my goodness… with something as shortsighted and stupid as that happening, I’m scared.

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#272

All I can say are

#Tree of bots

  • Look at all the freaking bots running around, there is even an bot train now at tenet church B1 (a train of archers bots lol).
  • Lots of bots at various maps, Forest of Prayers aka Forest of Bots, Demon Prison (yes there are bots there now), etc

#Tree of overpriced DLC

  • Ok look, If WoW subscription cost me $15USD, Roughly $2x SGD and I got the latest expansion for FREE, do you think your DLC prices are slightly overpriced?

#Tree of bugs

  • Too many bugs to even comment here

#Tree of no diminishing returns

  • Ever try hitting a mob that keeps sleeping/freezing you? Try the pure loftem at main chamber. Enjoy being chain frozen to death even as a tanky build.

#Tree of gold spammers

  • Step into any town, maybe except Fedimian and enjoy the wall of text. Yes, people are using add-on’s to block such spams but if so then there is something very wrong with the game.

#Tree of silence

  • No communication to players whatsoever.
  • Look at other MMO’s, their community mangers actually talk to players via forums, a game without an community is a dead game.

#Tree of lag

  • Yes, the servers are not exactly under your control per say, Maybe you could buy more bandwith?
  • If it’s not possible, open more server? Like another SA and SEA server to ease the server load.

#Tree of poor optimization

  • I don’t know what game engine that you are using, but an game (WoW) has a 12 year old engine and it can run way better than your’s something is very wrong.
  • If the lag doesn’t frustrate players, the constant up and down of FPS will definitely irritate them to the core.

#Tree of Poor Dungeon Matching

  • Doing dungeons via auto matching for dungeons are good (Exp Boost)
  • But however, You get weird combinations most of the time, prob coz the lacking of a healer/support player

#Tree of Restrictions

  • Why make someone wait for 2 days just to retrieve silvers from the TP, srsly other MMO’s are instant retrieval once the item is sold.
  • Other players would already list the trading restrictions before me, it’s extremely frustrating.

#Tree of Why Roll a Healer/Tank

  • If you have not notice, Healers and Tanks don’t get any loot even if they are in a party (except for dungeons).
  • Eg : Not getting silvers/loots while in a party, grinding mobs (Also the reason why I stop lvling my C3 Priest), no point spending money on Holy Powder, Holy Water and Grylottis while not getting anything in return.
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#273

I’m new, but I also had concerns. Of course, there are always concerns, but since I know the problems are acknowledged I think I’ll stick around a while.

#274

Ugh I may be strange here but I’ve had more fun trading in this game than any other game I’ve playn. If they lift those trading restrictions, prepare for some serious inflation. As well, trading for STUFF like gear is infinitely more fun than trading Currency for an item. Its so impersonal. For example lets look at Marvel Heroes… that game doesn’t even have an auction house, you just trade, items of value for other items of value based on games current economy of a hierarchy of what item is worth what.

Did i mention as a player its more profitable #TosTeaParty that sales tax man bump all that noise!

Hngh i did it again >_< Last one im outta here!

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#276

Pretty sure he’s talking about tree of savior at treeofsavior.com, friendo.
Seems pretty right to me.

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#277

It’s funny cuz I read your name Wooooooooow instinctively before reading your post making it pretty hilarious LOL