If u think that swords cant have more dmg than op wizards and rangers you are new to mmos or dont know a ■■■■ about balance.
Dps is damage per second and in every game melles cant have the same time of uptime doing damage than rangues so in every game melles have around 20% more damage than rangues to balance this.
So in mobs with zero aoes and cc where melles can do their 100% the dps of melles must be higher than rangues due to that in real bosses meles cant figth for more than 60% time when rangues can hit 100% time.
So if meles have the same damage than rangues they cant have the same dps due to uptime.so imc must buff the damage of swords so they can do the same dps with less uptime on boss.
Or buff the uptime of melles so they can do their full damage.
In my opinion give to swordmaster a trait : you get 70% less damage of spells or hits that arent targeted to you.
With this they dont need buff our damage
Nowhere near new to MMOs. I’ve been playing them around 15 years. Given your recommendation , you clearly no nothing about even the very basics of game design, because that is insane. I’m not sure if you meant 30% and not 70% , but that is just…I don’t even know where to start.
Even if the other classes build to have as much HP as Swordsmen, they do way more damage and they do it at range. The trade-offs are not balanced which is the entire point of the complaints. Giving us less HP to do more damage makes no sense. We’re already too squishy.
This is wrong in so many ways… archer also can’t deal dmg if there is no cleric protecting him on the backline from AOE massive magic dmg.
while a swordsman on the backline require less care from taking dmg make it easier to able to keep sustained attacks on the target.
everything need a cover, more example ? mage have strong meteor which deal HUGE dmg. right ? but it can be easly interrupted and require to stand inside a divine shield to cast.
you cannot just look from 1 class point of view, everyone has their other problems to when need to deal their dmg.
for archer to fully potential deal all of it’s dmg, he need swordsman to take hits for him, and cleric to protect him from incoming harm.
so having a second swordsman is not recommand, but there is no need for any 70% trait or other crazy unnececary things you mention… you clearly have no idea, and on this game things work quite different then other MMO.
You will find yourself runing around trying to kite monsters, instead of letting a swordsman do his job of taking dmg, while you safely spam skills ? too squishy is why you need swordsman in first place. if you get more health we’ll really be useless.
please someone explain how you’re going to deal your amazing so called DPS without a class with ALOT of health, taking the hits for you ! while dealing less dmg yes.
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You realize for a wizard in cloth to reach the same amount of HP as a Swordsman in plate at max level they would need to spend roughly 200 Con. That’s almost all of their stat points.
Some of it, yes, not all of it. If you read the entire post, you’d see that. Having 200 Con’s worth of HP vs a Wizard and being able to do the same damage as them would be silly. You’re going to need to bring that HP difference down a bit in order to bump your damage up and still be reasonably fair.
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Fully stacked frenzy 10 with maintance + warcry maxed
330+150 = 480 + 50% Deeds of Valor = 720 atk (not even consider your own character attack, and weapon attack)
from buff alone. in STR how much that equal ?
add the 50% more dmg to crit from highlander and your DPS is set…
i’m pretty sure level 10 cyclone with this buff will outdmg almost any class.
am I wrong ?
You didn’t come off blunt at all. This is arguably the first reply from someone willing to talk about the problem.
I agree that it is a dangerous option for the Swordsman, but it’s pretty much the best that a lot of people can hope for. Expecting to do the same damage as an Archer and Wizard while expecting none of their drawbacks is just silly. People just want all the pros of a Swordsman, but none of the Drawbacks. It would be like Archers complaining that their attacks aren’t medium AoE attacks like a Swordsman. They shouldn’t be.
Swordsman is not meant to be a full DPS class. People want it to be though. They don’t want to give up anything for it though, which is absurd. They are a more balanced class than others, and that angers people.
Yes you are incorrect. A fully buffed Frenzy is either 200 damage with maintain stacks or 400 damage without it. If you’re getting full Warcry, you’re aggroing a group, so realistically you are using Maintain Stacks. This is +530 attack then. Mixed with the 50% deeds of valor, that is +800 roughly. You were close though.
Yes, this is strong with Cyclone. I literally have all those skills in my main’s build currently. That said, it is a burst window of opportunity, and even with the cooldown buffs, it’s not like you can permanently keep WarCry or Frenzy up. Frenzy is very, VERY close in potential with the kToS buffs. Maybe one day it will be. I prefer WarCry to Frenzy anyways though.
Look, I’m not saying Swordsman are bad, I’m just suggesting a solution to fix that a lot of people feel they need. Swordsman are a balanced class. People want them to be a pure DPS class. I don’t feel they should be, but people are freaking out that they are getting massively outdamaged by Wizards and Archers. I’m just suggesting that we could bring them more in line to cater to these people. I’ll just be sitting here gladly tanking dungeons until then.
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I don’t know… it may apply on the early levels…
as far as I can tell… my friend barb>fencer2… outdps my friend musketeer
they are 227 or 230 at this moment…
don’t know any more then this but even with all bein said, I still pretty sure swordsman can get on par with other DPS class, if going the right path for it.
people need to stick it to their mind, like Vanic mention aswell
that at the end of the day swordsman will be a balance with defense and offense.
I am not saying anyone is wrong, but your idea will hurt the game balance overall !
*I am against any changes to the classes as it is but.
instead let me offer another suggestion :
Starting as a swordsman, gives you only slightly above average health.
Taking peltasta tree would increase health / defense.
while taking barbarian tree would reduce health while increase dmg.
or so and so, can keep going with more of this.
this way a class can be more specialized, then the whole character itself.
BUT . they are giving you so much freedom, to be able to also tank and also take dps class together in 1 character. I don’t see it wrong ! infact it make me like the game even more. Would you want to see all players playing only 1 build becouse “THATS THE BEST DPS KOREA CONFIRM?” heh. those people not even worth all the trouble of finding them a solution to their problem.
( there is that one thing of mixing classes, that hurt my idea, but the main idea is the class rank will provide the balance required.)
Each unique class will bring change to stats to balance gain/lose
IMO the Swordmans DPS is not fine… ,imo they just need some more % p.atk on their Flat dmg points skills(don’t need to be 200% added to skill atk but something between 50%-150%), especially for the ranking 6/7 like Doppel,Fencer,Dragoon and shinobi, Like happens on the 6/7 ranks of Archer With skills even with 400% + Flat Skill dmg like Snipe and 300% like headshot from Musketeer.
If not buffing SWM DPS a good other choice would be giving More CC(the lack of cc on swordmans make me sick, not like any other mmorpg i ever played) all they have is Bash Knockback(0 aoe Ratio),2 stuns of Barb(3 aoe Ratio), Highlander poor Launch, DoppelSoeldner por Knockback, Umbo Blow KnonkBack(2aoe Ratio) and some like 2-3 ■■■■ skills at rodelero with poor aoe ratio e ultra low dmg. NEAT CC B O Y Z!
And More Gap Closer (The Lack of Gap Closer of swordmans is insane) of all the Classes ranks all they have is: Long Stride(Hop 2)(with Casting and poor range) , Maybe Catha Speed at rank 3?, Maybe Cosair iron hook + Keel Hauling? AND THATS IT B O Y Z INSANE GAP CLOSERS!
This doesnt help? 100% added at C2. 100% uptime. Think they have some multihit AOE skills in this class too.
Theres nothing to fix.
The dps is good. If you didn’t chose only low rank classes xD…
That barb and co dont scale so well lategame, was known long ago.
So nobody looked at what I wrote about current problem of DPS.
1 hit skills versus multihit skills is the biggest problem of this game balance, even wizard versus wizard.
Multihit skills sems to silly outperform any single hit skills except of few ones that are greatly buffed by something or are good by themself (rare sight).
As a swordman I dont really feel that I lack so much DPS vs wizards or archers, I am more annoyed that half of skills in every class I pick is literally useless since they are single hit. They do absolutly nothing except for existing in the game.
The game need either a nerf to all multihit skills or buff to all single hit skills.
Skills should be equal in some terms, not one doing uber dmg, the other tickling.
I’m building my own “Dragoon Rider” build as I call it, and so far (at lvl 130) I have no DPS trouble.
Here’s the build (hope the link works):
I’m basically going only for AOE multihit skills and I’m very much happy with the performance. Thanks to finestra my aoe range is +/- 10 which I also find nice.
I might still change a few sp allocations and I haven’t really checked Dragoon skills in depth yet, but I don’t feel inferior to archers and mages. I mostly one hit every mob in open world and killing multiple enemies at once is a breeze since I can take a lot of dmg.
Those guys saying that swords are fine are noobs low lvl or archer wizs.
The fact is in korea in end game at max lvl dps swords are useless and nobody wants them, so if swords dps is fine why korean dont wants them? Say all you crap i dont mind i gonna lvl to max and im done with this game i dont give a ■■■■ about end game balance because this game havent end game only earth tower but if u think that swords are fime you are trolling
wait until 200+ (20 chars)
I have 2 swordsmans 200+… where is my dps problem ? oh I don’t have any becouse I have a party containing all classes ops did i play the game right ?
you guys make so much stupid comments about swordsman. just go and play, you will not notice anything wrong with your DPS or TANKING ability, which you given both.
and all the players that say KOREAN this KOREAN that. everything i say not directed to you, you are a lost case. no hope.