Hello guys, I’m now Hoplite C2 on ToS and I want to become a PVP player.
So i have some questions:
How much DEX to no-missing Archer ecc?
What about the other stats?
Should I pick Cataphract or Corsair next rank or I can go with Hoplite C3?
Thank you all! =)
if u want pvp u want sword3>cata3>something not hoplite
but u can get around 150 i guess…
Thank for the answer.
Mh, so around 150 DEX.
I was thinking Swordman c1/Peltasta c1/ Hoplite C3/ Doppel /Dragoon
Do you think this build isn’t for PvP?
This is definately not a PvP build. I ditched mine for a cata3.
When you play it you’ll see, but main problems with this build for PvP are:
-Spear throw execution time too slow, and require aiming with mouse to be optimal. By the time the spear landed, opponent probably already in some other place. The bind effect by the way, only lasts for 1 hit.
-Dash is just bad, when you take damage the dash is interrupted. You’ll have mages jump casting in a circle around you, kiting you effortlessly.
-Even if you catch someone, you got no burst whatsoever until dragoon, but then again the dragoon skills need setup to be actually hit in PvP otherwise people will just move out of the way. They’re just a lot more potent with the plethora of knockdown skills from cata.
-Cyclone won’t hit cuz it moves at normal speed which isn’t enough to catch anyone without stun locking skills like restrain
-Low level of pain barrier…so I mean, you’ll get knockdown/knock down chained by people like catas or archers
But I think the main problem is just you get kited easily by everyone. Mages jump casting, quarrel shooters running circles around you, etc.
Not even good for PvE imo cuz with skills like stabbing you need to stand still for max damage but bosses don’t allow this to happen. You could tank the hit from the boss with pain barrier, but why would you want to do that. Really, this build is just bad…My new cata build trumps over this in all ways.
But if you really want to pvp with your build, I’d continue into corsair c3.
Replace Hop c3 for Corsair c1 and it will work. You can hook and jump away/towards enemies, Doppel gives you raw AoE damage.
Thanks to both for the answers.
I like Throw Spear for the no-cooldown, but if the execution time is slow, maybe isn’t a good idea.
For the rest, so i should keep Corsair c1.
But even if i reach the enemy, will i miss him? I saw some videos in which Archers evade many hits. Whit 150 DEX, as Lenny said, i will hit them (if not almost always)?
Ah, another question, i read somewhere that Hoplite doesn’t need much DEX because of Finestra. So Crit Attacks can’t miss?
Sorry for the many questions but I’m fairly new <.> .
I have around 160 dex (125 invested points). I miss a little against some archers. Against some of them I can’t land a single hit. I like DEX better for evasion than accuracy though. Let mages kill them archers.
Crit attacks can miss. Finestra gives you plus crit rate and lowers evasion making DEX not the best stat for a Hoplite. With lower DEX you’ll still miss but high(er) STR means you’ll have high block pen and your attacks will hit hard (when they do hit).
it depends on play style. I like being able to dodge attacks while asleep/stunned.
K, around 160. Yes I up DEX for both accuracy and evasion, and crit too.
I want only sure to not miss 9 hit out of ten.
Instead, what’s block penetration? I will hit players with high block rate?
Anyone equipped with a shield has some block rate. The higher the CON, higher is block rate. You can hit someone with high block rate but if they block your attack, they take 0 damage. Full con wiz will block many of your attacks if you have low STR. You just can’t hit everyone and hit hard 
as a fellow Hoplite, there is one glaring issue about Hoplite skills… other than Pierce, the animation is too slow. It’s very hard to catch anyone…
Go with Cata for PvP, Hoplite is amazing for PvE and good enough for bossing but not for PvE.
Thank for the all answer.
Ok, thank for the explanation daniel.
Yes, i saw Cataphract in PvP and he’s amazing, but i don’t like too much that class , so i want something else.
So, if the only skill i can use in PvP with Hoplite will be Finestra and Pierce? Shoul i max Pirce or Stabbing?
I saw that will be insert Rank 8 classes and i saw Lancer. Do you think this class will be resolve some problem?
I was thinking Swordman->Peltasta->Hoplite C2->Corsair->Doppel->Dragoon->Lancer
There must be a build for Hoplite PvP, I hope…
Help me to discover it.
Lancer is a mount class, so it’s an extension to Cata. If you want Hoplite for PvP, you can go:
Build #1 is PvE oriented but you can have a little fun in TBL. Build #2 works for PvP due to Corsair (Iron Hook). Hop c2 gives you Long Stride so you can hook people and either jump away from them or at them (you can’t move while people are hooked but can cast skills). For rank 7, it depends on rank 8 classes but I wouldn’t bother with it unless you’re @ lv. 200+ right now and must make a choice.
Oh, damn i didn’t think lancer was a mount class only.
You’re right,I forgot to say my lvl, i’m 113.
Mmh, so i think i will keep your 2° build. You said that i can use skill while i’m using Iron Hook (as a Corsair), if I use it near my enemy, can i use skill like Pierce/Stabbing while he can’t move?
Another thing, why i should became Corsair C2? I have to keep Corsair mainly for Iron Hook and i can learn it at C1. Can you explain me?
Longer hook duration and Hexen Dropper is a good skill that works with Spear Lunge.
Yes, you can.
It depends on what you want. C2 gives you Hexen Dropper (great burst skill) and some extra seconds on Iron Hook. If you go c3, you can use Manamana and shoot people from some distance. If you don’t go Corsair c2, you’ll probably have to weapon swap a lot, since Fencer skills require a rapier, Doppel c2 requires 2H sword and Hop’s Finestra and c2 requires spear. It’s up to you if you want Corsair c2 or keep at c1 so you can focus on another class at rank 6 and 7.
Perfect, understood now. So i think i will keep Corsair, after i will see if continue for C2 or for something else.
Thank you all for the answers!