Maybe because this is not the top DPS build for Fencers. But you can play whatever you want on this game, you are free to do builds people don’t support.
I dont care there is someone support or not.
I just give out my reasons and my views and i will be appreciate if it is helpful.
And every build has it’s advantage. There is not a absolute.
I just want to show Hop-fencer build’s advantage.
We only said our opinions regarding that, I don’t see any problems with it. We know both the advantages and disadvantages of it, and the reason why a lot of people are ignoring hopC1, your topic title is kinda misleading with your intentions however
You are rigth. The topic title is a little misleading. I will edit it.
i guess i would have to see it in action then instead of just theory posts or whatever the other discussion was because this has been the case from first hand experience so far
The majority here dont take hoplite is because if you take hoplite1, only 1 skill usefull stabbing
But if you take hl3 / barb3 you can have more
But just like other said, its up to you, because whats the fun playing someone else build
I think that since you are already going for hoplite, just go hoplite 2 to get spear lunge and become the absolute stabbing man, don’t even think about wasting one circle for just Stabbing. I can even imagine the new WB meta parties carrying a Pardoner for Discerning Evil (or even better Krivis 3 Pardoner for Melstis too) to maintain Serpentine/Spear Lunge debuffs for a longer time. Swapping also is not that hard when you get used to it.
But If you don’t have interest in tryhard boss hunting, stabbing (IMO) is not that practical and a little bit of overkill for someone who already has a great set of piercing skills. I’m most sure that Lv 10 Warcry’d Composees + Prep Sept (or the new skills) are going to be stronger than a super mega stabbing when grinding/farming open field (flexibility and mobility while tanking and jumping). This is assuming someone don’t want to get ride of peltasta or want to fit barb 2 + corsair for utility or even highlander 2 + corsair as I did 
, pelt 2, rodeleros and entc. Wasting one rank of hoplite for just Stabbing that you will end up wishing you had hoplite c2 is a big no.
Check this guy, Pelt c1, Hoplite c2, Barb c1. All the Peltasta’s c1 utility with taunt and high evasion, Hoplite c2 for stabbing madness with spear lunge (and a little bit more damage from skill lv 10), barb c1 to cover pierce’s main weakness (cloth mobs) with Stun (also nice to have) + Cleave [+50% slash debuff and +50 critical rate who also helps a lot and a good burst since the damage on stunned targets is a huge % boost]. Just pierce everything and if cloth mobs comes when Epee Stance is down, Stun, cleave, Flanconnade. That’s how I would roll a Hoplite Fencer, there’s also the Dual Stance Fencer Hop 3 guy but I don’t like hoplite 3, IMO they only work on Finestra Dragoon builds and Epee Stance cooldown just made things worst since hop 2 is more than enough for that super stabbing combo.
Hop3 is at rank 5 so Hop3>Fencer3 is viable. Again I must remind you that AOE ratio and crit rate are harder to acquire than evasion. You can look at the cost of making 2 Sissel, a Max Peta and minimum 6 Green Gems to know why Finestra is really important. Plus, Fencers do not have something convenient as Swift Step. It’s way harder for Fencers to reach 80-100% crit rate than an Archer.
Furthermore, Epee doubles all crit damage. So the more crit rate, the better. 100% crit = well you know it already
That’s why I would only ever choose Hop in a Fencer build if IMC changed Finestra.
PS: Did I mention crit resist? Unless Balestra Fente gives 100% uptime on crit resist reduction, more crit rate is always priority
It’s 50% uptime if you didn’t know and it’s like -30% or something
I agree on AoE but I really disagree about crit rate . In my experience as a high DEX build crit rate for Fencer is not priority since most fencers are using DEX build.
what’s the point of +150 crit rate if they already have 400+ base crit rate?
crit att is what they want, sure the more crit rate the better but the dmg is not high if the crit att is low
Actually, I have a sissel and its not functioning very well since I don’t miss… so I don’t get its frenzy bonus
Sissel is much better on high STR low DEX build like Dopple/Dragoon IMO
At the moment, the only viable skill from hoplite to fencer is stabbing and yes, stabbing works better with a high DEX char, as its attribute is clear +25% evasion and MDEF. Less interruption, more guarantee of full damage. Doesn’t mean I encourage any fencers to take Hoplite just for this skill tho…
In the end, I understand your point tho, finestra is a very good skill and if its viable to other weapons outside spear than yes, everyone with high STR is recommended to have it.
PS : The price of items doesn’t reflect its rarity, evasion items are fewer (boots, magas sword, rapid bangle, and few others) and with only small numbers evasion than crit rate
calculation evasion cap is 1100 eva, other than boots there are no +100 evasion items, much higher than crit rate cap
If you know some items with high evasion please share, I need them
@rhonin.wang Oh thank you for comment, I didn’t stop updating. Just currently waiting for hop spear throw buff and fencer c3 to further update the guide.
haha, thank you for your advice. I already post his another vedio upper in this topic and i really like Hop2-barb1 build, and im thinking about if changing barb1 to corsair or not.
Barb1 is really good, but corsair has utility ability.
I am really looking forward your update and new vedio !
And love every element in your topic! (rwby, Hop-fencer, chalili… )
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Thank you for your support! I will try my best!
Yeh, people who know the best builds are not asking for support/help, and will not do videos, so you will only see it in action in game.
I already put the damage in the topic, if you cant do any calculation and cant read the number, you will never find a best build.
That your personal reason, so pity.
I do videos all the time with my fencer that I’m claiming comes rank 1 on leather (world) bosses
Posting proof or exposing facts.
People do get lost, but it is not like you are a god or something to talk about them, or better, us, like you have the knowledge on your side.
You should stop with this posture, it is not funny. Perhaps you do not know the meaning of respect.