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Holy Paladin Build

Class and Rank Cleric
#21

Isn’t this game centered around demons and mutants though? There’s tons of places where Paladins take charge, and areas like forests where they do not.

As a Paladin C3 myself: No, it’s not meta. It may become at one point but currently it is an off-meta decision. However, they do provide a decent blend of protection you won’t find much elsewhere. Am I saying everyone’s making a Paladin? Hell no, people are sticking to what they know: Krivis are only really becoming popular because of that clear group taking charge with Melstis compatibility.

If someone wants to test out Paladin, let me tell you this: C2 is painful because you don’t do anything different than when you were C3. Paladin right now is wonky because the base damage of Paladin is high enough to where you could actually include it with an INT build and nothing much would change aside lack of crits. While STR would be okay, there’s no scaling on the skills meaning there’s not much benefit to an STR build. Right now Dex is a better alternative but still underutilized since nothing much in the Cleric tree likes to use Dex aside Monk.

Also, the heck are you talking about, “Tempting people to leave your party”, people only care about heal grids on the upfront. Meaning if you have Cleric2, you’ll be compatible with any party. Cleric1’s can survive if they coordinate well enough with their parties, but Cleric2 is usually the safe route. That and people love my Barrier (when it doesn’t glitch out) and Conviction. Hell, Maxed out Resist Elements is pretty damn good for a tank as it gives them the flat chance of ignoring damage, saving their gear costs.

@leimery77 It’s because the jump from C1 Heals to C2 heals is a solid 100%+ increase from 5 tiles to 11 (with Divine Might). Alas, Aukuras and Restoration have semi-cohesion- the hidden heal interaction does affect Aukuras but it does not speed up the rate of Restoration. Whether this was intended or not I’m not sure. Imo, Cleric2>Krivis>PallyC3>Doctor would be a solid PVE support. Alas Paladins don’t really exist in PvP: We lack the damage and our skils are more utilitarized in nature.

Also SPR monk is a lowkey thing, although my own is a Cleric2>Krivis2 instead of Krivis3. I’m still leveling him up, but it’s mainly a more hybrid combination of lowering everything down with Zalciai’s scaling and then slapping everything silly since you’re a Monk.

#22

People love YOUR barrier? Guess what, people love MY barrier when I play my swordsman too, and my wizard, and my archer. People love every ones barrier, because ANY ONE can cast it. You only THOUGHT you had a barrier spell, what you ACTUALLY have is a “save 1.5k” spell. Hope that save 1.5k spell was worth 2 class circles.

EDIT: I just want to add, that there is a clear different between being “non meta” and being bad. Pali is bad, it has been bad for as long as its skills have been scrollable, and it will continue to be bad for as long as that remains the case. IF IMC ever removes the ability to at least scroll barrier, it will be a VIABLE choice, still far from top tier. And even that is a big if.

#23

People say Daino scrolls are all over the market, but ironically since people make tons of Priest-brand Pardoners, there’s a heavy lack of any scroll aside Dispellers. Even Dainos are rather skimpy, and Barriers are an obvious. It’s possible to get, possible to use, but I’ve only ever seen one person use them in my climb. I know it’s more common to see it in ET, but I’ve seen the bot Reaper killer more times than I’ve seen other players use Barrier scrolls.

Also FYI, to even get Barrier to scrollable feats you have to…oh my god, roll Paladin and get Pardoner at R7. It doesn’t show up without someone putting in the work to do so. Paladin is an investment class: You get out what you put into it. While I do think that Resist Elements should be that damn scrollable ability instead of Barrier, you’re forgetting that there is infact, still a character underneath. And there’s more to Paladin than simply Barrier. Paladin’s one of the few classes that can actually manipulate Property Damage control (And will get better once we get that kToS change), actively reduce both Magic Defense and Property Resistance (Making Wizards DPS quite much higher), and the chance of auto-killing something like a Harugal or another very tough Demon type Elite. (Chance, anyway.)

Paladin’s in an odd state due to the lack of offensive scaling. But it has its worth and I do personally enjoy the playstyle. To call it trash is like calling Swordies trash without Peltasta: Pure harsh bias.

#24

If the game did not also have PVP then i wouldve stuck with my build and made it, i know it can pass a grinder with the Kit and i could support due to Cleric 2. But not being able to PvP for ■■■■, is a problem it takes almost 200 hrs to reach the top this game isnt some easy max level game, hence if the class isnt at least okay in all situation its not worth maxing then.

I really liked the proespect of making a Paladin that shoots thunder, and smite the crap out of people. But after all these posts i realize there is not point.

I should either make a PD or some other class. which upsets me.

Iv seen videos of Pally doing a dual Weilding str/dex build which branches into Monk in the end, he claims its viable for pvp also yet with no proof.

#25

lol I really hate to keep posting here because I know the OPs question has already been answered and hes made up his mind about what to do.

That being said, I’m sorry chill but you’re just wrong. Just like both you and the OP, I too wanted a pali. And if barrier scrolls get taken away soon ill go back to the 160 cleric I left in the dust and get pali c2 and c3. And for the sake of your pali’s existence also, I really hope that happens.

But a cleric can do amazing things, its probably the most OP tree in the game right now. Not only can you heal, not only can you make people immune to damage/cc, but you can deal HUGE amounts of damage and/or still be god tier in PvP. Pali throws all that in the trash.

Go to AH right now and search “Skill Scroll” and tell me you don’t see barrier, because I just checked and saw more than enough. I also took them into my daily mission and used them to defend the point while I AFKed during the timer. 2 Barriers cost me 3k. Maybe ill buy some turn undead scrolls next time I do a dungeon just for luls. You act like you have to have a pali pardoner to get those scrolls and I just don’t understand why you think that, or think that there is a lack of them. You don’t, there isn’t, and that’s why you’re wrong.

Btw your right about me being harsh, but not about me being bias. Its called the harsh reality.

#26

lol SINCE you came back might as well help me out decide which of the 2 below build is viable for all content.


I liked how effigy / hex worked

#27

from what I’ve heard its better to go bokor 3 if you go into it at all. I have heard it has great synergy with PD, but idk about going bokor c2 krivis c1. I noticed both your builds had cleric 3 which I’ve done, and while it is fun most people will tell you its way over kill on the healing and they’re right. If you’re like me you probably think “who cares I want to over heal”, but seeing all your heal tiles go to waste does get old fast. It really is too much healing, I would suggest going it only if you accept that it will be a gimp later on lol. Unless maybe you’re dead set on healing for guild wars maybe, but that’s really more of an excuse than anything.

I would definitely suggest moving some points from safety zone into cure, Those points matter a lot to cure, and only a little bit for safety zone as long as you max out its attributes.

So I would say if possible, go cleric>cleric>Krivis>Krivis>Krivis>Druid>PD.
I’m also not an experct since I’ve never went this route, so I tried to keep my advice to the things I actually know about. My friend is going bokor PD and he plans to use zombies until late game then buy a skill reset potion. If bokor IS what you choose, you might want to consider the same if you have money to burn.

#28

Oh zombies are actually quite good ? i havent heard or seen anyone using them, could be an option i suppose.

Actually second build has only cleric c2, i did prefer the extra heals but in this case its a sacrifice of DPS.

Seems il head towards the 2nd build seems more versatile and might be more fun to play.

I just wanted to thank you all in your replies, saved me from making a wasted build haha

#29

To me I think OP and other people need to explain what’s their intention for their build which is really vague anyway. The barrier problem is really just same as Spell Shop buff, Priests are now only pick level 1-3 of 3 buffs because of that. That’s why kToS change how Blessing works… The other 2 doesn’t matter since they will drain your skill points…

In other side, you probably should also asked about how players doing. Not everyone is favor to buy and use scroll. I pick Krivis on my main character because Daino scroll is there but it’s costly if I always use it (but still the reason is not just picking Daino). How many minutes Barrier lasting? 3k for 2 minutes that means 90k silver for 1 hour. 630k silver for 1 week? Just buy your end-game attribute and kill those magic monsters and boss faster rather than for Barrier Scroll… The buff is even negligible on my journey until rank 6 anyway… There is no rank 7 on my characters yet so I can’t understand how Barrier can be life or death on ET and such…

I do agree for Pal C3 sucks, but if your reason is Barrier Scroll that’s really not practical to me… I do wondering how Pal 3’s Smite and Restoration scaling since rank 1 alone is enough to fill what other Cleric tree lacking…

#30

I beleive i stated wanted to be viable for all content, and other pointed out that Pali 3 just blows in pvp. As i said this game takes forever to get to max level hence if my toon fails horribly in just 1 aspect id rather not make him, i did not say however he has to be godly , just viable.

Anyways i wont go into paladin 3 just to have barrier or some support skills i mainly chose it as a dps base and it seems its not really up to par in that department as others mentioned.

I understand that now thanks to this post and peoples replies, which is why we have this forum no ?

Anyways no need to further argue the build wont be made which calls for the topic to be closed.

Thanks all

#31

Have you actually experienced getting kicked out of group as a Paladin? Or have you actually seen players kicking Paladin out?

#32

You may try this. Spirit-con 1:1.
Why? Because you need a lot of SP to spam Smite.
And equip a sword, not a mace, because deprotected zone will turn into no armor zone in 10 hit sword attack. And don’t tell me reduce deprotected zone to 3. You cant hit 10 hit with just lv3 deprotected zone.
You may choose krivis in rank 3 class for the zacial debuff, which scale with spirit too. Not benefit you much, but it make your 3:1 or 2:1 str-dex friend feel awsome.
Why you dont have up priest to rank 2? Because Kabalist is an OP tank for x2 HP or a SP slave
Make sure you have a friend, or lvling will be a pain in the ass.
This is a troll build. But it is awsome. And viable.

#33

This build are good, but paladin currently is a class it does not promote anything, need rework or fix. In ur build dumping STR, no need and put in SPR, improve ur CON for PVP, leave around 17.500 HP, I will leave this example for your:

Put 3 Green Gems high lvl in ur weapon and sub weapon for improve Critical Hit Rate and see ur smite to take 25k dmg!

And i change ur build for this:

Sorry for my english, is not my official language

And enjoy!

#34

Thanks for the reply.

Why spr ? For un protected zone ?
Does this work in pvp, End game content ?

#35

Many people go with SPR paladins to increase magic defense provided by Barrier, for the Turn Undead attribute that is based on SPR (can be insanely useful in dungeons with lots of Mutant or Devil-type monsters, which lots of the dungeons have) that can instant-kill monsters of those types, for a better Deprotected Zone, for the larger SP pool which can be VERY helpful for Smite since it can be used twice every 9 seconds - it is easy to run through all your SP quickly without SPR in a pally build otherwise.

Also, for builds that go with Paladin and Priest in the same build, so many of the Priests abilities scale with SPR, that it is a stat very considerable to take.

I have to say, when my pelt friend and I go out together with my Priest 3, Pally 3 build, they like to gather up lots of Devil/Mutant mobs in dungeons and I can use Turn Undead and kill the whole group of mobs at times, it’s pretty awesome and a very quick way to level. I have a build that uses level 15 Turn Undead (I know - many will say that’s overkill and a waste of points!), but it allows me to instant kill 18 mobs at once when they’re all stacked up and the attribute procs. Those are just a few of the reasons some people would consider a SPR Pally, it’s more than just for Deprotected Zone. :slight_smile:

#36

Does it work against players tho

#37

You would use a mace right ? Swords wont work i suppose since its more int focused

#38

Sorry for the delay, SPR in pally builds, use for barrier MDef and improve zalciai from krivis.
Weapon u can use mace and Rod, mace for smite and conviction, Rod for others skills.
High lvl mace: Catacombs Mace
High lvl Rod: Superior Corona Rod
When arrive rank 8, put plague doctor in ur build, its over.
In build, int improve zaibas, cure and heals (10 tiles)
SPR improve barrier, zalciai, desprotect zone and mana pool.
Good combo: conviction + smite + zaibas+barrier(atribute) + incineration (rank 8)
Ur conviction NOT improve dmg for barrier and cure.

#39

Currently a paladin class it serves no purpose, no pve and PvP utility, only pve for pardoner barrier scrolls. Ur key skills have little scalability with STR, better builds today for pally are based in INT and DEX, I prefer a smite with 8k dmg in PvP than 1,5k or 2k. If u want STR cleric go to Monk builds.

#41

Hi, I’m Derkein Dragonfang a Paladin3-Oracle Phys-DPS build since launch. Feel free to pm me if you have questions regarding Paladin.

Have fun playing paladin class :3