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Hikikomori and computer games @_@

Wut? Did someone say something? Oh, another meme… Nice.




@not_the_meme_user

I’m going to sleep. Those songs always do:

Dream nice everyone. Hope me nice dreams.

Salt

Okay.

Less-than-decent things

If you can’t re-read your own thread and see where you weren’t being at least decent, then I won’t go into this.
You wouldn’t be able to agree if you never saw it as ‘less than decent’ to begin with, anyway.

Unacceptable about your way of life

I was probably referring to you expressing possible regret because you posted what you did out of lack of sleep.
That is in no way an excuse and you were and still are being very rude.

Glad you know you may regret something

You actually said this.
“Quite a long time since the last time I had a proper rant. Feeling nice right now but I’m sure I will feel very embarrassed and regret this after a long sleep.”
I just quoted it and said I was glad you were aware of it.

You suck

I’m not aware I’ve said this or even come close to implying it.
It’s actually against the rules and I have been very careful to avoid unintentionally slandering anyone.
Re-read all my lines and see if perhaps you’ve been doing it with some sort of dramatization/bias of my tone.

You feel offended

The bigger issue is how you seem to handle it.

Community Rule violations

You started violating some of these rules from your first post, if you weren’t aware.

I read all the way.

In my defence, I would say that I’m still at least proud of my attention do detail, even if the execution is poor.

Flagging your post.

They were all insulting or are easily offensive to a lot of people.
Particularly the direct insults to ‘Himself’, though I don’t think he was doing any better.

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It has never gotten me up before, and doubt it will now. The game can’t tell me what to do! :imp:

I’d rather see game tips on loading screens. If they have in-game announcements to get up at certain time intervals, thats fine too, but I could care less tbh.

Also @Raine and @LaScoot there is a flag option to bring things into PM conversations instead of on a thread that’s kind of unrelated.

We are still discussing lifestyle issues and the implications it has. (on physical/mental health)
Agreeable that under most circumstances, we would’ve gone off-topic, but for the case in hand… I believe the topic we are discussing is still about health in shut-in lifestyles.

Added note :
You need to read Raine’s first post at least a fifth or so in, we’re discussing Raine’s case as a subject.


I doubt the health tips will actually do anything for anyone who doesn’t care.
Perhaps making it an optional setting would suffice.
It’s a neat minute feature to have.

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I am very sorry for this. I don’t want to spoil the fun of everyone waiting for their CBT keys but I have to explain things here, not only for LaScoot but for some others as well, some of them who have offered me a lot of their caring and kindness. So let me put my words here and I hope it will end this.

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I almost forgot the thread. :satisfied:

I was so tired and sleepy but even if I weren’t I would still think the same though, maybe I will not write them out because I would have more impulse control while being sober.

So let me make it clear that I was being indecent or not is relative on your standard for your own judge. I seriously hate trying to talk formally when it isn’t necessary. And when I do have to talk in a formal and serious manner (which I think is your standard of being decent) of what cause me much pains in life, it hurts me too much that I just couldn’t do it here. I only do that to people who I trust the most. I don’t talk formally doesn’t mean that my words are indecent. My post was my expression of myself as a person who gets directly involved into the subject, I am not a researcher, I am not an observer discussing with you about the subject here, I was the subject. As the subject goes, there are a lot of bad things, bad feelings and emotions about it, I could not honestly talk about my experiments using a formal format. So please listen, I shared my experiment of the topic and that experiment isn’t a good one so you wouldn’t feel good reading it (unless you are an S who love to watch people in suffering). Doesn’t that make it indecent? It’s up to you and others to judge but don’t force me to listen. Well, reading your post or not is my decision too so it was partly my fail that I didn’t just skip it all along and stopped replying (which I was about to do). You see how I only replied to you after a few days of your first reply to me? Because I knew it was useless making an argument with you here, this I think is not a subject about who is wrong and who is right, but then I got so stressed that I was trying to throw it out at you. Part of my stresses were totally unrelated to you so I am sorry for that but please listen to me a little more.

I think you are considering yourself a little to much in my case. Some may say something you don’t like to read in a format you also don’t like, it still is not the same as he was being a d**k nor that what he says are wrong. Putting things back into the context is what I think you should consider. Not only my choices of words but also what I talk about, my place when I talk about it and who I aim it at. I didn’t try to insult anyone here, I didn’t aim my judge to anyone in the place, I just shared my pain yet you directly aimed your judge at me. For what reason? Please try to not always judge things and people into wrong and right, good and bad, please also not always do that only based on your standards, if you do I hope you can sometime keep it to yourself consider for different situations.

So those are what were in my post: I talked about how I feel, my personal feelings, emotions, experiments directly related to the topic (which aren’t something nice to read but I was just being honest). Then I gave my opinions that one should not put too much burden on their parents / family just because they are in pain, that their parents might also are the ones in great pain too. Even in this case, I stated clearly that it was just my opinion and I might change my mind if I were in others’ shoes. Then at the end I were “bashing” people who look down on me and call me a loser despite I was born with little compared to them and had to find my way out myself, in short what I said is that I hate snobby people, I think this part was unnecessary and which caused the problem between us. This was my fault, still I believe that I didn’t aim it at anyone here nor did I chose word of much offense.

What weren’t in my post: I didn’t insult anyone or at least I didn’t mean to, I tell you that I got it bad but I didn’t bash anyone for having better. So I don’t know for sure I was being indecent or violating any rule or not, but I do know for once that I was being honest. Some want to know how a “hikikomori” feel, what makes him a “hikikomori”, why don’t a “hikikomori” just “get up and go out”, I as one of these so called “hikikomori” shared my experiments with them.

So now in my eyes, your posts might be indecent and pretty offensive when they were directed toward me. I talked about the most painful things in my life till now and I didn’t do that to insult nor offense anyone, yet I got called out, being judged, being labeled as indecent. Do you know how I should feel? Or do you think that you should consider putting yourself into the other’s shoe before judging him? I put the thread away for a while to calm myself down to reply to you now. While in pain, it was hard to think properly. I hope you try to have some respect for me, for my experiments, that I have my way of life and talking, they are different from you but still I mean no harm nor hurtful feeling toward anyone.

No, I don’t ask anyone to consider my feelings, doing that on the Internet is stupid, but please I do sincerely ask for you to not stretching my posts out of their contexts. I may use the word “stupid” in this post, doesn’t mean that I am calling you or anyone here stupid. Don’t get offended just because I talk something you don’t like and the word “stupid” was involved, It is just stupid.

I am also sorry for the wrong choose of words and expressions that might be offensive and rude to some people. Normally I like being rude as long as I don’t judge nor insult anyone seriously unless they did it first to me and even when I do it is often half joking with sarcasm. With this I can get close to people who actually care for me and not only the facade I put up. Though I do admit that I was being a kid with his tantrum there and it leaded to some unhealthy, indecent and off-topic posts. My apologies for that.

Thank you for reading and your advices.

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P/s: I don’t give a damn care for rules. I mentioned about it just for a lame ass joke. What is important to me is only not to harm and hurt people and the community. What good to follow the rules when you still hurt others? I better just speak out whatever in my mind as long as they are harmless. I don’t spam (well, honestly I do but at least not to a harmful extend). I avoid bothering people and try to think and speak logically when it is necessary. I rarely if ever get banned anywhere so that is my point.

Trying to talk formally and logically just to win an argument over the Internet on who is the worse person disgusts me. If I only care for my image and have no qualm to care for a person’s well being then I should not pretend so. Prick you and your fake talks. Better be rude but honest than a hypocrite I believe (not that I cal you a hypocrite).

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BTW, what does “NaN years later” even mean??

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TLDR;

I honestly don’t care.

You better should not care when people are replying directly to each other and didn’t mention about you a single word in their posts.

BTW, you are U’ranus not Earth you imposer.

As long as it doesn’t disrupt gaming but still noticeable it’s fine i guess

OFF TOPIC: i rarely goes out except if it’s really important; spend a lot time to my screen, but still periodically wander around home and actually do some sort of exercises(housework since I live alone); is awkward with people I don’t know and can’t make friends on my own, but can still hold conversation and do have friends both real and on net. What does all that makes me then?

Woah! This thread got some serious stuff (last month, and I missed everything). (Including those wall of textssssss). Whew!

I’m writing this for reasons.

If it’s implemented, it should be done via in-game pop-ups in a corner of the screen instead of the loading screen (Since the loading screen should be reserved for Tips/Hints). Something like:

  • [6 Hours] Make sure to take a short break to exercise in-between gameplay!
  • [12 Hours] Remember to go outside and get some fresh air every now and then!
  • [24 Hours] Log off.

@Hikikimori topic: For those who want to spend months/years inside the house playing video games, let them. It’s their own life so they can do with it as they see fit. The only time this is really an issue, is when they impose on others in the process.