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Highlander's Cross Guard vs Peltasta's High Guard...WTF?

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#1

So I understand Highlander’s Cross Guard has been buffed recently, which I think is much needed, BUT…compared to Peltasta’s High Guard? Let’s look at some numbers:

Highlander Cross Guard level 15 (max):
Defense +58
Block +678

Peltasta’s High Guard level 10 (max):
Block +240
Attack -50%
Critical chance -100

Despite Peltasta supposedly being the primary tanking class, these numbers are pretty bad for Peltasta. Why even use High Guard if it only increases block so little and completely gimps your attack, whereas Highlander’s Cross Guard doesn’t decrease your stats at all? Some of these numbers need to be reviewed, seriously…

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#2

cross guard makes you immovable and you cant do anything but guard, while high guard is a buff. although 678 block its its pretty much 100% chance of blocking… it’s kinda of op.

#3

The whole blocking stat atm is fairly OP.

Like @Atrophos_MkII said, cross guard makes you immobile while high guard does not. High guard also means you have a higher chance to auto block since it adds natural block without having to hold down a key, and also has attributes that increase peltastas damaging skills by 250%.

Also as a highlander using a 2H sword, you can not auto block, whereas just for wielding a shield as a Peltasta, you can auto block. CON also gives block, but only when wearing a shield, so Highlander naturally has 0 block, while Peltastas will always have high block for wielding a shield, and High Guard only adds on to their naturally high block.

678 Block is not 100%, it’s a fair amount. I have over 1400 block and can not auto block 100% of the time.

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#4

I’m sorry but I GOTTA ask if anyone can answer my stupid question, since we’re talking about the skill.

Does Cross Guard still (or ever) had the effects of making mobs more vulnerable to Stab attacks, as written in the description? I’m sure nobody has seriously considered using a 2H Sword Hoplite, but I have D:

Cross Guard for the overkill potential!

…So has anyone actually tested and witnessed any visible effect?

#5

wow, this stat is weird compared to the others then lol xD

#6

What 678 block can do in pvp? Can it block attacks 100% chance?

#7

Probably can 90% of the time, although because of these changes more than likely people will invest a little in SPR for block pen, or just rely on magic classes to deal with tanky block classes.

Also block does not block magic attacks, so they really hurt still.

#8

Well giving almost 100% block is a big no no It’s natural for them to have buffs for blocking but not making them invincible, I think they should get those extra block % rates from rare equipments and if ever they should make like a def gauge if someone is ganking you as time pass by your def will be reduced.

#9

That’s good news then, now I have a reason to max cross guard and stay as pure Highlander.

#10

If this does what I think it does…

@Radeon: It’s only while in Cross Guard stance, in fact this make Cross Guard actually usable instead of being worthless before because you gained so little block it’s impossible to actually ‘block’ anything.
Besides, as said magic attack will still go through, unlike Monk’s skill.

#11

Hm I didn`t know about that, thanks.

#12

Cross Guard is ok, but Highlander still needs some buffs, imo.

Out of the 3 new skills they made, the ones I could test so far (Sky Liner and Cross Cut) are really lackluster. :confused:

#13

Do you have vids of 3 new skills?

#14

Sadly, I don’t.

Sky Liner and Cross Cut are almost the same, tho. Both do 2 hits, have 23/28 seconds cooldown, 2 charges and damage is similar too.

Cross Cut has a cooler animation and hits about the same area as a normal attack.
Sky Liner’s animation is a rather simple double cut and its range is awful, about 1/3 of the normal attack (only hit things on your face).

#15

I expected those skills to have stun or KO attributes. I’m fine with the current Highlander tho, I guess those skills are meant for PVE.

We can go back to the topic now.

#16

I might just have some unjustified annoyance, but I don’t know why nobody wants to risk uploading this new content. Yes, yes the NDA stuff, but couldyou blur out your IGN or something kip. I mean I would… Or just some Gifs, rarely punished.

Anyway scrambling around to find some videos… Here’s 2/3 of the new skills.

0.12 for Vertical Slash.

Cross Cut.

Expecting Stylish gameplay to upload the rest of the new skills :x

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#17

I know Cross Guard roots you in place and you can’t move, whereas High Guard is a buff and allows you to move around.
However the numbers don’t make sense.

Highlander’s level 15 Cross Guard’s +58 defense is stronger than Peltasta’s level 15 Guardian, which only gives 35 defense PLUS a negative effect of -63 physical damage.

Level 15 Cross Guard alone gives almost 3X the block rate of level 15 High Guard AND more defense than level 15 Guardian combined in the one skill and NO negative stat effects. Having to stand still is a small price to pay for such a huge benefit on a class that is not even supposed to be tanky. If these numbers are not tweaked, there won’t be much Peltastas running around once people figure out how bad their defensive buffs are.

#18

Yes but highlander has 0 block at all times because they need to wield a 2H sword to even use crossguard.

However not only can a peltasta move, because they wield a shield they will always have lots of block. Having block means you will auto block even when your not holding down guard, and when holding down guard you will increase block by a lot more, a luxury that Highlanders can never have. Again, CON also improves block, so Peltastas with high con, naturally have high block. If High Guard gave as much block as crossguard then Peltastas would be invincible to physical attacks, and if crossguard was tweaked to be lower then it might as well be useless since highlanders already have 0 block.

#19

[quote=“Calvin, post:15, topic:41175”]
I expected those skills to have stun or KO attributes. I’m fine with the current Highlander tho, I guess those skills are meant for PVE.
[/quote]Yeah, probably with attributes they will be something. Tho Sky Liner would still need range improvements.

[quote=“Luculyia, post:16, topic:41175”]
0.12 for Vertical Slash.
[/quote]Lame, lol.
Thx, until they get an attribute or something I won’t level my Highlander anymore.

As for Cross Guard, it is also wierd. Idk if it is because of the lag (and the server is really laggy sometimes now after the wipe) but you can’t hold it for long and sometimes it will auto cancel after one block, lol.

#20

Thanks to you Luculyia.
Yea indeed animations looks kinda simple… not a big deal anyway since Highlander has 9 skills now while other classes has 8 or less.
I like the sound of Cross cut :smiley: