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Highlanders All Cycles = You have any problems with CrossGuard and delay?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Hi,
I’m Highlander C2 and I want to stay on that and take others classes.
(I’m High C2> Barb C2> going to Doppel > Templar)…

DOUBT:

I want to ask you if you have any problems on defending attacks from monsters and players using the skill CrossGuard.

I just get annoyed on how much the defense is different of what the animation is doing. I had to make the defense much before on monsters, and on PVP is impossible to me to use it. Not to mention if you use to much, he stop work, the skill break and you can be easilly killed. (simple stop work)
Since monster have less delay, because dont use others players, as in quests for example, I think people may dont note that, even if I have to use the skill much before too. (before the animation of the hit).

but on PVP, even doing the crossguard much before the hit: I get hit.

NOTE:

I Think that this can be MY PC that dont have much power and cant emulate the game well so it just need a upgrade, since have only 4GB of RAM. But if you guys have this problem too, so will be enough to remove the last hope I had on make this work on the right time and will be just luck.

Please dont tell me to get a petalsta, I dont like use shields.
I know magic is unblockable, I was talking about vs archer/physical types as monks for example or others swordsman classes.

#2

I think you have some ping problems.

#3

I think you is right. And then, I’m luck based now.

#4

It’s not delay. It just requires level 15 cross guard and full STR to have enough block to work well.

Even then it probably fails to block a lot

#5

I think you is wrong, because if Peltasta Buff can defend that much better than CrossGuard, and Still is inferior on block, so why CrossGuard fail so much? I tell why I think that:

The Skill Buff High Guard of Peltasta give on Maximum Level that is LV 10, the amount of 240 of Block.
As it is a buff (act automatically), and dont need to press any key, you receive punishment of -50% physical attack.

Then CrossGuard from Highlander
(STR + (CharLv *3) + 450) on level 10

Lets say you are a LV 100 with Only 50 STR
50 + (100 * 3 ) + 450
50 + 300 + 450
800

So, with only that (50 STR) with only LV100 is enough to surpass the skill of Peltasta almost twice. Even if with other buffs Peltasta gets much more block, on Highlander each Lv will increase the gape between the two.

I think you are wrong because the Math dont is right. Its a Ping problem.

I will explain how Ping act here.:

There is 2 types of confimation of a hit:
Type 1:
The type that expect the confirmation from the attacker.
Many games as Counter Strike for example use type 1, that is why so much people turn the corner running away from a enemy but die anyway: because for who shooted it was a hit, and that is what the server want to know.

Type 2:
The type that expect the confirmation from the vitims.
I dont remember a game like this, but I remember I already saw a lot of that.
Is the that type of game that you Hit the enemy so much, but nothing happens. But is just because the Serv is waiting confirmation from the victim, not from the attacker. If the victim had dodged the hit or blocked it somehow, is that what the server want to know.

Tree of savior use type one to confirm the attack, so even if you see nothing, if the attacker did a hit on you with sucess, the server will receive it.
For CrossGuard work well it TOS should be type 2, since the amount of delay between the attack and the animation on the screen of the victim who is doing CrossGuard can be very big.
Then it will always fail. But since it will neven happen (change to type 2), I will just give up.

But Thanks!

#6

no no no. Peltasta’s use C to block, not high guard- high guard is just an extra buff on top. It scales with their CON, and they get a passive +25% extra block rate. There’s also a shield called aias that gives them double block rate.

https://tos.neet.tv/attributes/102015
This is a passive attribute that lets peltasta’s and rodelero’s press C to block. It doesn’t cost SP and can be held forever.

#7

I dont know if I be ashamed or if I’m in more doubt than never.

Really sorry, I was completelly wrong. Glad you come back to tell me. :+1:

But how the block of peltasta is calculated? Because this still appear to be inferior to CrossGuard, except that can be hold forever? (that is why CrossGuard is superior: only can be hold for few seconds and consume SP everytime)
Have any Idea?

The problem I saw in CrossGuard is that it has only 5-7 seconds of use, so between use again, the enemy hit you, even if it dont show on the scream. That is why I think is a ping problem. And now knowing that Peltasta can hold forever, this make even more evidence of Ping issue, since appear to work much better than CrossGuard.

#8

Aias shield gives double block.
There’s a passive +25% block rate.
It seems to scale better too, but they still have to go full CON to block stuff consistently.

#9

well a lot of peltasta put a decent amount of points into CON. i mean look at their HP.

also hoplite c3’s finestra gives +30% block on top of everything.

#10

you have to work around with it, crossguard buff maybe delay, but it is also the same case when you are not blocking anymore. This means you still retain that block rate for .2 seconds. in that .2 second, skills like bash can have block rate all through out their animation. You can also do light tap on crossguard and immediately use bash. Also Crossguard scales more with your lv than your str. this means that it has generally weak blockrate at low lv, but becomes increasingly better as you lv up (1:3 for lv, 1:1 for str). also you take crossguard because it has 7 seconds root for pvp, which should be enough for you to easily land your bash.

#11

Finestra is just a buff of your base (non C) block and nothing else. That bonus block doesn’t get multiplied when you use C.

#12

Crossguard is not reaction skill as of currently its more like you need to predict the enemy before using skill its quite useful again boss not so much again mob

And extremely useful again archer

#13

@Turbosodomy @fatedhour @BlackCat
@mike00

Really thanks for the help.
You guys are like a golden wiki, each response is a new golden pot.

@BlackCat I tested your advise, but I still I’m receiving damage a lot between active the CrossGuard again, but thanks, its just my PC that cant hold the graphics.

I just wanted to do some damage instead of just see the others engaging, even using only the Rank 6, and I love 2 HandSword.
And I really dont few much emotions being tank using shield, as it is with 2 HandSword, even less with Cataph, but if the CrossGuard dont protect me against physical attacks for more part of time, so I will be forced to use peltasta, that can hold very well without lose SP, even if still worth nothing against magic.
When I reach LV150 I think I will try to enter in some Clan at war just to do the final test, since I will not have a clan yet, then I see if this work or if I give up. Since I will not be the target alll the time (I hope), I will see if CrossGuard can work on a real battle, because I only tested on battles 1x1, or 2x1, with archers with the target locked on me.

Really thanks for the help. I’m glad that this work for you guys and I had cool tips here for the game.

Change of weapons in the middle of the battle dont appear to be the best thing to do, right? Not only the FPS decrease, but there is a natural time for the change, this appear to be even more dungerous.

#15

I’m rank 7 with 300 strength and level 15 cross guard. The block value isn’t high enough to be useful. It’s like 15% or something. It isn’t delay.