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Help with Inquisitor Path

Class and Rank Cleric
#44

None of them are bad, It ´s just a personal preference.

Diev 3 for a pve Support focus

Diev 2 Monk3/ Monk 2-PD for a more PvP focus. Statues helps with the gap on ranged classes, but with Inquisitor you ll be benefit too. PD it ´s very helpfull or CC will be a nightmare.

Priest 2 Monk3 its more a Pve DPS focus. Now if you are not intereted on pvp that much, you can try this one. This is my first build and I party with a Warlock 90% of the times so I focus mainly on tanking,supporting and mob control. But in the long boss battle, my damage it s higher ( attribute and some equip needed). Revive It s awesome for high lvl maps.

I tried Priest 3 on the ICBT, mainly for the Stone Skin skill but with the nerf and the SPR needed, it didn´t convince me now.

I understand that there are build focus for each task but I prefer to play builds I like according to my gameplay.

#45

I’m mostly interested in pvp, but I want to have a relatively painless time solo grinding. I assume that means cleric2 --> diev2 --> Monk2 --> PD --> Inquisitor.

What about Oracle for r7 instead of PD? What are the pros and cons? Is Prophecy and Counter-spell for pvp worth it?

#46

@Himiko

From a Cryo3>Kino2>Linker1’s perspective:

I find that fighting a single Oracle is more troublesome than a single PD, unless there’s a Sw3-Cata or a QS that bothers to spam Stone Shot on my team. When there’s a single PD on the enemy team, I can usually just wait out Bloodletting and eventually Beak Mask. Meanwhile, Oracles force me to waste a lot of my CC just to get through Prophecy, and by then my CCs would be on cooldown. I could use my IW-PP to remove Prophecy but Oracles can usually just Counterspell it. Also, Oracles can deal a lot better against Kino>Necros/Warlocks and even against other Clerics (Heal/SZ denial) due to Counterspell.

Fighting multiple Oracles versus fighting multiple PDs is a different story. In this case, PDs are more difficult to deal with since they can have Bloodletting on a higher uptime since they can easily coordinate it. Oracles would have to guess or anticipate when to use Prophecy since it can have a 100% uptime from one Oracle alone if the charges are not depleted, and each of their allies have a different counter for Prophecy charges.

For your Inquisitor, I think you can just go with PD with a maxed out Beak Mask and use your Inquisitor skills to deal with magic users.

#47

I think using Beak mask for status ailments and then using Inquisitor skills to fend off magic users does make sense.

I now have a much better idea of my options for a hybrid Cleric, should I choose to roll that type of character. This thread has been a success so far.

Arigatou.

#48

Build seems kinda bad to me to be honest. Diev2 physical damage isn’t going to do much in pvp, everything just feels useless. people get diev for diev3 totem mainly.

Monk 2 energy blast is kinda weak / short, melee attacking characters is kinda bad. So you will mostly use energy blast from monk there, monk 3 is kinda needed in my vision then.

PD is good, pd is always good really. that leaves the stock cleric 2 solution left over.

Monk burst is high outside of energy blast, but mostly only one a single target. It’s more a dotter in my vision then anything else. I experience it as a high hp target burster, but it needs setup which makes pvp meleeing kinda useless.

If you want to go pvp, i would heavily advice to drop the whole physical thing, and move into a int based diev3/pd char with priest 1 for ressurect.

Let people cc targets and your owls will simple melt them.

if you do want physical attack solution, with inq i would advice to move into priest2/monk3 ( if you want monk ) or move into a paladin 3 version.

I dunno why people even advice diev into a monk build, seems bad to me.

I currently have on cleric department:

cleric2/diev3/druid/pd
cleric2/priest2/monk3

So i know what i talk about as i know the classes.

edit

also don’t forget you can use dispellers in pvp, so cc isn’t going to be that much of a issue, it only costs you money. PD really isn’t that much needed as people make it out to be. It’s good don’t get me wrong, but hardly needed.

#49

Having a physical attacking Support Cleric Hybrid was what i really wanted, and as difficult as it was to let go of that, I decided to go for an INT based Cleric instead. I may come back to a DEX Inquisitor in the future. Also, I played a Diev Monk before, and it was extremely difficult to pve with, so I know what you mean.

I made a thread asking for help on my build, if anyone wants to take a look:

#50

That’s not entirely true, the thing with toyhammer is, not only the auto attack procs the debuff.

Double punch gives you 2 a hit, which you can spam fast. So that’s already 5 hits max. which makes it 20%.

But then monk has 2 dots that every tick give 1 debuff from toyhammer, so it goes even faster then that. every second = 2 free dots. that means only 3 punches = explosion, next explosion is basically the same thing.

The explosion on top of it, gets effected by debuffs, so god finger flick gives you basically loads more damage on the proc.

I see it proc all teh time for 7k a tick ( even saw it as high as 11k on 190 fire boss ( 1 tick of the 4-5 from explosion ), if i dont debuff monsters and just ram it, it mostly does about the ~5k a hit 5-7k.

So that means if its x4 ( maybe its even 5x, i honestly dont know. Its just to hard to see ), that’s 20-45k dmg a proc. that happens in mostly 2 seconds when dots are applied.

I don’t have iron fist, so no clue how effective its buff is, but catacomb blade is only used here +7, when i face plate monsters and if it outdamages toyhammer even then i dont konw, but low hp plate targets obviously toyhammer isn’t going to weight up against that, but high hp targets no clue.

Here a demonstration of toyhammer procs, you can see it costs you no effort to let it proc and one of the procs evne hitted as high as 8,5k a proc

Here’s another one

These are truffles so not weak to those attacks at all. And the damage is already insanely high.

#51

Since when? Is this the Miko thing?

#52

after a few calculations i found 2 good paths

Cleric>Priest>Diev>Paladin>Monk >Paladin2&3 >Inquisitor

Cleric>priest2>Paladin>Monk >Paladin2&3 >Inquisitor

This build benefint your DEX with the Monstrance (priest1) and can support your team healing (Massive Heal?)

Diev1 for Carve Attack if you like it and the Statues give your allies good buffes (or if you got a Plague in your team we can say Statues give perma debuffes on enemies)

Monk is only for Double punches and Palm Strike bleeding. Double Punch Level 5 have similar damage to Lv10 so you really don’t need at R8 the damage difference.

No monk 2 means the lack of usefull skills and the kamehameha but you will still be a usefull Paladin 3.

At rank8 99% of your damage will come from Inquisitor.

#53

There’s so many issues with these builds I don’t know where to start.

#54

For the first build… Only having one circle in Cleric and in Priest means your usefulness as a support will be close to zero. With 1 circle in priest, you don’t even have mass healing, and 1 circle in cleric means only 5 heal tiles. Not to mention your skills in Cleric, Priest, Diev and Monk will fall off from only having 1 circle in them. Most other supports will beat you in usefulness, and your damage will be negligible.

Your second build is better simply because you took Priest C2, although your usefulness as a support will still probably be negligible compared to most others since you didn’t take Cleric c2 nor Priest c3. And again, your Monk’s damage will be useless later on with only one circle in it. If you’re going Paladin c3, I don’t see the point in trying to squeeze monk into it.

#55

In fact is the most pure dps build overall for a Inquisitor (and not a new path for koreans)
No one mentioned to be a “full support”. You still got some utility as Paladin, even you got Heal to 5 (just for you) or just mass Heal

All you need to do most of damage as Inquisitor is… to be Inquisitor , Double Punch and Monstrance. Priest 1 is enough to that purpose.

If you want an overall balanced build there are alot of other build but your supportivness will fall since you will be NOT a spr build. Given that most of DEX build with Monstrance and Inquisitor deals similar damage.

If you can hit the weel with more physical skills you can do better damage and in cleric path only Doubple Punch, Carve attack and Paladin skill are suited for that.

#56

I never said anything about “full” support.

Not to mention your monk and diev damage will still be useless later on as well as your priest and cleric buffs falling off. The problem I see is you’re trying to fit too many classes into these builds, when you’d benefit more from reinforcing a few of the most optimal classes. Although, do what you find enjoyable.

#57

Monk is the worst class ever in this game x) REROLL

#58

Wow dude, thx for the info, I already said i only counted auto attacks
Also, the point of my calc is the same as yours, to say that Toy Hammer is too OP, (because no mace have 769 Damage @ level 330 without any heavy enchantment and so on)
Not to mention the calculation use +5 non Transcended Toy Hammer

Thx for sharing :smiley:

btw, which one is better for monk and palley in you opinion? Priest or Diev?

#59

Diev two for monk offers silence statue, which prevent monsters from attacking, -20% cooldown of energy blast, 2nd type of damage (pierce), and owls for early leveling.

It is NOT for PvP really but in PvE it allows for almost 100% uptime of being not affected by enemy attacks.

I have leveled 3 monks to 200+. C2 diev2 monk 3, c1 p3 monk 3 and c2 p2 monk 3.out of all 3, the one that feels best is cleric diev one for me.

Say what you want, but I end up using statues way more then anything from the priest versions… Only isefull skills there are revive and monstrance. Mass heal used as self heal is nice too though. But you lose so much from not going diev.

There is some justification for priest 2 for PvP, in that scenario it would work better, but again, I can somewhat PvP with diev 2 as well, not best but works

#60

The thing is with most people on this forum, talk about builds but have zero experience with it themselves, they read something from a player that has no clue himself and talk about it like it’s somekind of fact. And in the meanwhile kid themselves its actaully a fact.

If you want to roll something, talk to people that actually have the chars. and not people that theorycraft useless numbers, that do not weight up.

They hear about something never experienced and just talk what they heard through somebody else and pushes it as a fact fowards towards others… while in reality it’s just baseless information.

The thing is.

Did you saw that video? how that truffle basically died from doing absolutely nothing?. When the debuffs roll on a target, it just melts.

Now compare it towards this:

Put a monk c1 on that truffle and let him hammer with 100 crit double punches with his suncus maul. 2 minutes later and all his 35 max stam gone, truffle still stands there, has low evasion / defense, gets hit like a truck himselves and rage quits.

He will look at c2 build, and see double punch only has a bit more damage. quit monk as it’s terrible.

Is he right? yea his char saks indeed. Because he totally missed the point of monk completely.

Now get somebody with 450 crit, toyhammer, monk c3 + debuff + bleed the monster up, and see it melt in seconds with getting zero damage. And having zero risk to die as you got revive on yourself and loads of heals + support buffs.

This dude will look at monk skills and not see double punch having a bit more damage, no it adds another bleed !, i adds another armor break debuff !. sooo goood. The extra bonus damage on double punch is just a bonus.

Another example.

Energy beam only gets a bit more attack more, but my suncus mail and +1 skill will already bring it to level 8, so the difference is minimalistic with level 10.

Well what they forgot to mention is, that the difference is 2,3x the dmg. that’s the difference from c2 monk energy blast, vs c3 monk energy blast. Because the duration is 2x longer, and the damage also gets boosted.

All stuff that theory crafters can’t really put there hands on, because information is simple half lacking on skills.

And this is a good example of i don’t know how monk works, because that damage is the last reason why people would go into monk c2 :weary:

Priest 2 no competition, specially if you move into monk 3. You need the support, As most of the time you will be playing healer cleric with damage in groups, and not mainly a damage dealer. Because people will pick archers + linkers for that.

diev 1 is practically useless for monks in pve group situations and pvp. priest far outweights it. and you will need priest 1 for 30% dex anyway.

Priest skills also scale really well, 30% dex will always stay valid, aoe heal is % based so stays valid, ressurect + revive also will age well no matter what.

#61

Monstrance can be bought with scrolls… If that is the only reason you go priest you missed the point.
I do agree with going monk3 and not anything else if you decide to go monk. That near 10 seconds kamehameha is godlike.
But with toy hammer a monk is a different beast.

Me and my body play diev 2 monk3 + cryo3 rune caster. We melt things duo. While EB+ice wall on CD I use toy hammer to melt things. And then we do the real wreckage every 42 second instead of 1minute + thanks to -20% cooldown.

I still strongly think that diev is more DPS focused when Priest is more support focused. Argue all you want that priest 2 is the best, that is simply not true, because it depends on who you play with and what you are looking for

#62

So Monk 1 is useless? :frowning:
I wanna go C2 > Priest > Pal 3 > Monk/Plague Doctor > Inqui
is it better to take Monk 1 or Plague Doctor as a filler Rank 7?
I just wanna do more damage, since I already get Cleric 2 and Priest for Heal and Resurect

#63

I wouldn’t say it’s useless, you just need to invest heavily in double punch attribute to make the best out of it/make it worthwhile. Double punch is basically a better replacement for your auto attack, and if you have good ping, you’d be able to punch faster than you can auto attack.

Every 5 levels of double punch is 5 * 35 = 175 skill damage lost, which doesn’t look like a big deal compared to the weapon damage you could have with transcended 330 gear. If you pull some numbers anyway:
175 * 1.5(crit) * 1.3(double punch debuff) * 2(attribute) * 2 (two punches)
= 1365 damage

So each circle of monk gives you 1365 more damage (agaisnt cloth, strike would be 1890, leather and ghost 1102) on your double punch assuming it’s maxed attribute and you trigger the debuff. This number is only really significant if you can punch pretty fast IMO, like 2-3 casts per second or korean net fast.

I believe the main bulk of the damage is going to come from either having a trasncended level cap weapon or a very high enhanced, transcended toy hammer to make things explode (I can’t confirm it but from all of the media I’ve seen and personal experience, explosion works out to something like 5 ticks of 400~450% of your phys damage).

So monk 1 is not a bad pick for a pally to inquisitor build IMO. However, all it’s going to offer is better single target on boss, filler for breaking wheel if you’ve used up all your skills and things are still alive (probably only have the extra time to actually get out punches at inquisitor c2 or c3), short armor break (around 6 seconds), and 1 tick per 2 seconds bleed (helps with toy hammer).

Assuming inquisitor skills stay at medium to high levels of CD time, you’re going to inevitably have downtime with your skills going pally3 where you have nothing worthwhile to use. If the boss you’re fighting has lots of attacks to dodge though, that could be less of an issue.

As for plague doctor, you’re getting bloodletting (can be made redundant by dispellers in PvE until they make level 2 debuffs more common, miko charms that are lv2 debuff dispellers are 1000 each to craft whereas dispellers are 400 each, so it helps you save money at least), healing factor (very good assuming you’re not letting yourself get smashed on by tons of mobs on purpose), potentially pandemic (although you yourself don’t have much use for it), and incineration.

Incineration, even though it’s magic, isn’t that bad at the moment for a physical build. 1091 skill atk at lv5, 532 mag atk from the 315 purple mace, and 330 mag atk from being level 330 means:
1953 * 2(attribute) = 3906

Ticks at least twice a second so 7812 a second agaisnt most elements. 11718 agaisnt ice, 3906 agaisnt fire, multiply by 1.5 if enemy is ghost type. Agni necklace more or less will double the output, but I question wearing it solely for incineration…

Duration is 5 secs at lv5 and +2 seconds for each debuff on the enemy, and requires at least one debuff.

At pally3, you have about a max of 3 debuffs on your own (the magic inquisitor skill, conviction, deprotected zone which isn’t worth casting IMO), so forgetting deprotected zone you have 9 secs per use solo, add both because 2 overheats means you can keep it on for 18 seconds by yourself with an 11 sec downtime.

That’s less of an issue in parties where there’s no other plague doctor, but don’t dream of being able to use it on world bosses unless you’re purposely sabotaging another plague doctor (in which case you don’t have plague vapours).

The problem I have with incineration is that it’s magic, and as a physical build, you’re going to be transcending a physical main stat weapon which will leave your mag atk in the dust. Thus, as the level cap increases, so does the gap.

At the moment, assuming the boss isn’t ice, fire, ghost, strike or leather, it’s 15626 for incineration (with agni neck) vs 18525 per cast of double punch with 2000 phys atk (a highly transcended weapon). Incineration can tick while you use your other skills, but if your ping allows for it you can double punch more than once a second, which is going to outclass incineration if you are able to stand next to the boss safely.

It really depends on the scenario to be able to say which is better, but unless they release agni rings, it’s safe to say that incineration is hardly going to be able to improve as more caps are introduced, whilst double punch is always going to benefit from transcending your current weapon. There’s also the issue of double punch attribute costs 61 mil to max and incineration attribute costs 86 mil. I personally wouldn’t invest that much in a skill that isn’t my main dmg type but the decision ultimately lies with you.