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[Help] New to Cleric: choosing paths and builds

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

Hey guys. I’m fairly new to everything, read a bit through the latest topics so I’m not completely clueless, but if I say anything stupid please don’t throw rocks at me.

I was thinking of making two Clerics: a money Pardoner, and a FS PvE/GvG. What I was thinking of was:

Pardoner: Cleric2 -> Krivis1 -> Paladin3 -> Pardoner, maybe Oracle on Rank 8?
Was thinking of INT build for Zaibas, Cure dmg and heals with Restoration’s hidden effect (Smite would still be good for leveling anyway, since it scales badly off of STR).

FS: Cleric2 -> Priest3 -> idk -> PD. Rank 8 = ??? (EDIT: I’m hearing Chaplain isn’t for support and I have no idea what to pick instead on R6, considering I’ll have Daino scrolls from my own Pardoner… please send help… Cleric 3 maybe??)

Dunno how much CON I’d need since I intend to eventually GvG on this one, but was meaning to focus on INT. I hear Stone Skin is maxed by standard in KR (even in SPR builds) in adaptation to their patches, anyway.




So, for the questions.

I’m probably making the Pardoner either way because 1. I want the Paladin (and hey, that way I’ll be putting the class into use for scrolls!) and 2. I want to make my own Daino scrolls. However, is selling scrolls worth it at all? Is it at least decent money? And if so, would Oracle scrolls be worth it once rank 8 is out?

Also, I assume Spell Shop is pretty much incompatible with selling scrolls either way, since the scrolls most on demand would be Daino and Barrier for ET. (Am I right to assume selling scrolls > spell shop tho?)

For both characters: is it alright to skill mostly towards solo play while leveling (like with Zaibas/Smite or Exorcism/Magnus Exorcism on the FS), then reskill after I’m done with quests? I hear that most of the leveling until lv220-ish is done solo questing, AND that skills are resettable, but not classes or stats.

Finally, is it okay for me to make the 2 characters, character slot-wise? Will I need a mascot or something later on? (I was hoping to make a C3 Scout or smth for dedicated farming and pvm sooner or later, hoping there will be enough space)

Thanks in advance, and sorry for so many questions at once!

#2

There are so many questions. I cannot count.

About your builds, both are fine.

In your FS build, the rank 6 can be many classes. They only need Cleric 2 any way, so do whatever you want to have fun with and don’t quite because some reasons.

About Con, Normally you should get 50 to 80 Con at level 200.

About the scroll selling and spell selling, I am not in the businesses.

For the skills, if you have Heal and Safety Zone at level 10, the others are fine. There even are some people who don’t want too many over healing because they want Clerics to add some output damages too.

Playing 2 characters is fine, if you have 4 to 6 hours per day to do the daily missions and instance dungeons for both characters.

You have 4 free slots for your characters and pets, so you can have 2 characters and 2 pets. Maybe no pet is also fine because now, pets are only useful for Hunter and Falconer.

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#3

xD yeah, sorry about that. Thanks a lot for the time in answering though!

I’m thinking about Cleric 3 for rank 6 in the FS build, from my understanding it really is way too much healing for PvM, but for GvG it seems I’ll actually need the 15 tiles. (And others were saying Safety Wall at 10 with no 2nd attribute disappears in like half a sec)

I also started thinking of going melee somehow for the Pardoner, actually o.O. Mostly for fun… enough SPR to max Zalciai’s crit defense reduction, so 100~114, and DEX for crit and evasion from there. There might be some synergy with Aukuras given that it reduces enemy accuracy, and crit for Smite + Conviction + Zalciai seems to be nice, so hey, why not?

And yeah, I was thinking more of having no pets at all, so I can use the space for more alts. A PvE Archer sounds way more fun than just having a pet use the slot, and I don’t plan on going Hunter or Falconer anyway.

#4

Crit defense can go into negative value.

#5

Oh, that’s cool. More SPR then, I guess?

I was thinking of mostly DEX more because of a solo Oracle thread I liked, am half-using it as reference.

#6

I was just putting it out as info. You should still stick to w/e build you have researched. I’m not sure how effective is Zalciai with high SPR, yet.

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#7

All info is welcome. There really isn’t that much info on Krivis/Pally at all out there though, so I’m not at a stage where there’s anything definitive… and even when I settle on something I’ll have to be my own lab rat. Right now I’m researching unorthodox builds (anything using DEX that isn’t Monk 3, really) and see what I can apply to my case.

Either way, the only skill that’d really get anything out of SPR in my build would be Zalciai, so I’m probably better off not investing that much into it. Maybe 60-ish.

#8

Well it’s your build, it’s up to you to experiment on it.

I would say don’t split your stats too much. Generally low stats don’t bring you much benefits, especially the higher the level you go. 60 SPR isn’t gonna do anything significant/relevant for you in the 200+. (Unless this SPR is for Priest’s Stone skin. Some say that 60 SPR is where it is needed. You have to do your own research here.)

DEX requires a lot to be effective (in terms of Crit Rate and Evasion). 60 more points in DEX is going to make it more effective than the 60 SPR.

This is even more prominent for INT and STR where they get 10% bonus each rank.

For Krivis + Pally I suggest you head over to the Paladin Compendium thread and go through all the comments. Do note that there might be many misinfomation so use your own discretion.

EDIT: I’m playing a Cleric 2 - Krivis 1 - Paladin build. SPR CON with high ratio of SPR.

#9

The idea was to get “enough SPR to make Zalciai useful” (I have no idea how much that is though), then full DEX, so I think I’d have enough there. CON only if it’s absolutely necessary, since it’s a PvM-only build and I don’t plan to ET on it. I was hoping to rely on the evasion for defence, but it’s true I won’t have the Priest DEX buff (unlike the solo Oracle reference), so I have no idea how that’ll go.

Overall no, the 60 wasn’t in reference to Stone Skin, it was me thinking it’d be enough to make Zalciai’s effect at least noticeable with SPR gear. Reading through the KR Paladin3 + Monk1 person’s thread, it seemed like about 80% investment in DEX is the idea… 60 seemed the magic number, assuming 300 to distribute from.

I have the feeling that’ll be enough DEX from what I read… what I’m worried about is whether Zalciai will be noticeable with only that much SPR, or if I’ll need some CON at 200+ after all.

I’ll be sure to go through the compendium you mentioned later, thanks for the pointer.

(And that sounds like a fun build, I’d love to hear more on your Zalciai results later. Is the point of the high SPR only for that single skill though? Or are you planning on going Priest at some point?)

#10

Well i have 100+ SPR now and Zalciai is not criting as much for now. So imagine it’ll get harder to crit the higher level I go (assuming mobs have increasingly higher crit resist). But I plan to have higher SPR anyway so I’ll see how it goes.

SPR also for Turn Undead (hoping that IMC will make it scale well, it’s reported that SPR has no noticable effect on the chance of success when you have the attribute on).

To be honest I go SPR CON paladin because all INT, STR and DEX builds don’t do well for paladin (info from reddit, forums, and experiences of players). So I go for a build that don’t rely on stat scaling. A Support with high CON. You can say SPR is for experiment I guess.

EDIT: But if you are going for Pardoner to sell scrolls, I think you really only need to look at if any stats will affect your scrolls/buffs for sale. It’s going to be afk selling stuffs anyway.

I personally dislike the idea of it because Pardoner is seriously affecting other classes’ necessity. Even IMC realises this. Barrier from Paladin 3 for example.

#11

Oh, so it affects TU as well. That’s good to know, but I do hope it scales well… if they don’t want it to be suddenly op they can just implement a hard cap on the success chance.

I’m assuming you have, but have you read the recent thread of the KR person I’ve been talking about? It’s my main reference along the solo Oracle one atm, apparently they manage pretty DPS by using Monk 1’s Double Punch as filler between Smite cooldowns, and DP stacks with Conviction. Seems to be decent enough with high crit rate. (Surprisingly)

I’m very seriously thinking of skipping Pardoner and leaving it to rank 8 so I can try a variant of their build myself (with Monk for rank 7, and Krivis 1 instead of Diev 1). At that point it might be wiser to ditch the SPR altogether and go DEX until I have enough crit, then STR for the Monk skills since it’ll scale better there than with Smite, though.

I haven’t looked too much into Pardoner specifically, but I’m pretty sure none of the stats affect scrolls, only Divine Might with certain gems does. Either way, I really want to try pally3 + monk1, it’s a bigger reason to make the character than Pardoner itself atm. (Even if it’s true that I want the Daino scrolls)

And you’re right, but a Pardoner revamp is in the works one way or another, let’s see how it goes. I think Pally and Krivis being completely outshadowed like this is more of an issue of these two needing revamps, though, not Pardoner… Oracle is still very much worth taking for example…




Also, can I ask FS questions? It’s meant to be an FS after all, so given the Blessing changes I’m in serious doubt of whether I should go SPR or INT.

OP Blessing sounds really nice, and OP Stoneskin (lv5 + SPR build) should be good even after the major scaling nerf… but I’m probably going for Cleric 3, where a mainly-INT build doesn’t sound bad, and it’s way harder to overheal considering the sheer amount of people and AoEs.

That, and how the ■■■■ do I level an FS other than auto-attacking stuff and relying on weapon damage. Are skill resets purchaseable with silver? Also, if I go for INT, I assume getting Cler2/3 first would be faster than Priest, since no Aspersio/Sacrament SPR scaling?

#12

You mean the Dex Physical Paladin? I’ve read through it, but as with many things said here, there are many counter arguments and inconsistency.

I disregarded DEX build mainly (among other arguments) because one of my guildmates said any build is fine for Paladin except for DEX. Since he/she plays a paladin for fun and is 200+ (I think), I opted to follow the advice, coz value player experiences slightly more.

For FS, I’m not very sure because I didn’t do much research on it. However, it’s important to note that we don’t know when or if the changes at the Korean side will get implemented here.

How FS priest level? Chaplain with massive auto attack build that falls off in terms of damage in the late game (on our current patch).

That or party I guess.

#13

I did not read all of the posts but I just want you to know a thing. If you are new to Cleric, don’t try to make the fancy build at first.

#14

Well, I want to at least try it before I can say it works or not. To me it looks promising, I’m not expecting absurd DPS since it’s still a support class either way, but just the idea of Double Punch CD filler + Conviction working on it and high crit is too good not to at least try out.

(I’d like to say you can expect future feedback, but then again I’m probably making a Scout 3 before either of the Clerics, and nor can I play that soon either way…)

I understand about the KR changes not necessarily being implemented, I think it’s unlikely they wouldn’t though. And I don’t intend to go Chaplain since it doesn’t really add anything to support :x …




@e_piyachai the “fancy build” is what I’m discussing the most because there happened to be someone interested in it, it isn’t what I’m going to go for first. Thanks for the feedback though.

(Do you happen to have any feedback on my last post’s FS part?)

Either way, the “fancy” character is just going to be for-fun, and from there a Pardoner. So I just thought, why the hell not? Much more interesting than making an INT krivis 1 -> pally 3, and I don’t absolutely need it to work.

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#15

I would like to have cleric c2 priest c3 oracle pd build. (Oracle just because of the costume)