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Guild Issues, players like me

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#1

Hey, um, first of all, I want you guys to know that I acknowledge and am completely aware that this might or might not be Tree of Savior-related, perhaps this is just a tough, yet simple, life problem that you get almost everyday, except that it’s happening in the game.

And that is making decisions with hard options to choose from. I know that some of you think that this is really easy to decide, which is why I need your help. This is a decision I have to make, which you think might be unimportant, but actually is really important to me.

So it’s practically about guilds. Well, yes, you might’ve guessed it already. So I’m in a guild, in a friend who invited me to be in it, I used to not know anyone in the whole guild apart from him (I seen/heard them before, but never really known anything about them. And so, time passes by, I’ve started to learn and understand almost each and single one of them personally.

At first, I was really awkward, and didn’t really have any respect toward them, because of some reasons (that would be another topic), but time did change my perspective about them. They are just fun, understanding, easy-going and actually very easy to get along with.

They’d give me rare materials that I’d need to craft my equipments with, and also vice versa. I’d do dungeon, Saalus and ET runs with them, we’d even do field and world bosses together. I didn’t even realize that we made so many memories until I started writing this paragraph.

It’s not that I’m not grateful, it’s not because of their characters, it’s nothing to do with that. I believe even us, everyone in the guild, could match the quality of almost any guild, (that’s not the point I’m writing this either though), but it’s that just this guild is not active as it used to be anymore.

It started when the guild master stopped being online often, perhaps he is only online once every two months, maybe because he has a busy life now. And because of this, we don’t do GvGs anymore. Some of the members claimed that we should only GvG when our GM agrees to, others said that the GM couldn’t take care of this guild alone, and that as guild members, we should be able to make decisions for this guild.

Eventually all of the members (secretly excluding me) came to an agreement where we can GvG only when the GM is online, and that saddens me. I used to be a hardcore Ragnarok Online player, and with my guild mates there, we used to GvG, or more specifically, WoE a lot.

Even if I was so busy, I would always be able to set aside my schedules to be online just for the WoE, I enjoyed the moments where we lost, we won, and how we fought together. It didn’t really matter whether we win or not, as long as we still get to GvG. Not even me knows why I’m so obsessed and interested with GvGs, maybe because it deepens our relationship as guild mates a lot, even by just a single war.

Aside GvG, I was also a fan of MVPs, or in this game, PvE, World Bosses or WBs. We also don’t do this much often anymore. MVPs are something that I have to kill, something that used to be my daily routine on other MMORPGs.

And here’s the simple problem, the best known PvE-based guild (not sure about GvG, but they do them sometimes) on my server just invited my character to be in their guild just last night. I can ensure you that they only pick the best from the best.

I don’t know why they invited me, I claimed that my character doesn’t do much damage compared to their characters wearing all those expensive equipments that they (from the other guild) have (though secretly I do think my damage can match theirs, tee-hee), but they said that I could be the guild’s mood-maker.

I’ve talked to them a couple of times, when I soloed WB. They always come in two parties (Exactly 10 members) when they slay WBs. To my surprise, I didn’t know that this guild had amazing members, the ones who also like playing around and having fun, despite the fact that they’re like celebrities in my server, though there were one or more members who were so full of themselves.

This is just there. I don’t know whether I should leave my guild, and including all my friends, to reach my dreams of coming back to my Ragnarok era where I can really enjoy in which guild I’m playing with and who, that’s just what I really want to do in an MMORPG.

My guildmates already said bye to me when I told them that this guild invited me, they think that they understand that I would leave this guild just to be with this other guild, because they know how desperate I am to be in an active guild.

Perhaps you’re thinking I’m over-dramatic, but this really means a lot to me. Can anybody give me their input on what I should do?

#2

Has anybody tried to ask the Guild Master to be more active ? What does he say to excuse the fact he’s barely active anymore ?
If the whole Guild is on hiatus because he’s less active, that’s a real problem… Obviously life can make one busy sometimes but still =/

Nobody else in your Guild wants to do WB ? For Guild Events you need the GM, but for all the rest you don’t, and basically the Guildmates can make the Guild active for the PvE contents.

In the end, it’ll be about what you prioritize the most, I think.
Do you enjoy more the game when you play/are with your friends, or do you enjoy it more if you are active, if you participate in most of/all the game’s contents ?
There’s no “right” or “wrong” decision here, it’s understandable if you want to enjoy the game to its fullest by regularly doing all its events, and also understandable if you’d rather stay with your friends.

If you have some close friends in the Guild you can maybe talk to them about it too… Maybe you guys could try to be more active again, even without the GM around ? Also you can try to get to know why the GM is so often absent and to try to get him back.
Because if the GM got disappointed by the game, is more focused on another game or something like that, if he has basically given up on this game and Guild, it’s not even worth it for everybody to “rot” in the Guild together.
(But TOS Staff did say they’ll try to make it so people other than the Guild Master can start events/have some power in the Guild. It could save your Guild. But I have no idea if/when they’ll ever add this feature).

#3

Well, it happens to me in the past in RO, have not occured on ToS as of yet. I believe that friends will stay friendly and do the content they do even on different Guilds, who knows if some of yours keep up appearing and showing up to do the content that they might get invited. I do not know you, or the server you play at, but if you are used to be a hardcore player and stays online for long hours, finding a guild with members that do the same might give you more motivation as well.

You will have some time to adapt, to know the new folks, to meet with them, try to get along, and who knows ? new friendships ? Hope you choose what you think is the best for you, and enjoy it :slight_smile:

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#4

Guild masters in this game have a very big responsibility to be online as much as possible.

You (and everyone else in the guild) should find one that wants to remain interested in the game and committed to you, or see if they’ll pass leadership to one of you if one of you is willing to roll a templar.

I was in a similar situation and decided to make my own guild, but some of my friends joined other guilds before I could get there, out of frustration of not being able to do things an active GM would have accomplished.

If you want to accomplish things, leave for the top guild. If your friends don’t understand why you did (and they might not), that’s okay. But don’t let their complacency bring you down.

#5

@bbuwink
How is GvG for you right now? You mean the Arena or normal guild wars along side the normal maps?

Answer me: guilds still have to defend their towers for a entire week 24 hours of the day when is at war with another guild, or this system has changed?

#6

@Csiko And what guild master need so much to accomplish?? I’m hoping for your response.

#7

Then it is his/her job to tell all members about the reasons behind the absence. Leaving people behind like that isn’t a good thing.

If GvG is that important to you or the other members, then that is a big turnoff.

I personally think you guys should do GvG when most members agree to, not only the leader, even though he/she is the one who makes the call.

Your friends are correct. As a GM myself, I’m always happy when I know that I have friends that I can trust, friends that I can count on, and stay with me during good/hard times.

I agree with @Csiko that a GM has a responsibility to be online most of the times, at least to allow the members to participate in exclusive in-game features as often as possible (Guild Battle League, Guild Bosshunt, Guild Mission, Guild Raid). It doesn’t matter whether the guild is casual or hardcore. You can’t participate in those activites without your GM.

However, if the GM already disappeared without any notice for a long time, there is nothing you can do about it. But that doesn’t mean we cannot blame the GM either. We never know what is going on in the GM’s real life unless if we have close personal relationship with the person. Unfortunate and unexpected things happen sometimes.

In the end, you have two options : stay or leave. If you really want an active community to play with, a community where you can enjoy the exclusive contents together (Guild Battle League, etc), then you should leave. No one will blame you or bash you. Even your friends understand.

If you ended up joining them, I personally understand. You are an active player and it is always better for players like you to join an active group. When active players do not have many friends to play with, most of the times they ended up quitting, which is bad for the game.

You are not over-dramatic. This problem always occurs in MMO. It is rare to see someone speak out like this. But I wish you all the best. Hopefully that GM can at least show up, explain what’s going on, and be more active. :slight_smile:

We have 2 types of guild war.
1st one is the open PvP system where we can kill players in most maps except towns and dungeons. You need to declare war against another guild by talking to their tower, or if the enemies declare war against your guild first. You don’t have to defend your tower 24 hours a day for 1 week if you can end the war by cancelling your declaration, or by talking to the enemy’s tower to cancel their declaration. There is no reward from this system.

2nd one is the MOBA system where each guild can send up to 15 members to fight each other in a special arena. This system offers TP as rewards for top 10 guilds each week.

#8

@Erokhi Thank you very much for the response (I stopped play ToS long time ago).

@bbuwink I just dont undestood one thing: You need the templar to enter on this MOBA system (the arena)? Because if not, why your “friends” want him (the master guild) to be present so much? Why not just make the most experient and smart of you all as the general, and you all can hold by yourselfs? As the @erokhi said if you all agree that war is important, why hold yourselfs?

#9

Yes, the guild master must be present in order to search for a Guild Battle League match. The same thing applies to guild mission, guild raid, and guild bosshunt. The guild master must be present to start those activities by talking with the guild tower.

#10

@Erokhi Oh thank you so much for the valuable informations.

Oh crap, so that is a real of a problem to a guild if the GM is not present. yes, that a big problem.

#11

Besides from having more friends to chat&play with, the other reasons why people bother to join a guild in the first place is to get access in those exclusive features (Guild Battle League, Guild Raid, Guild Mission, Guild Bosshunt).

If you finish at top 10 in Guild Battle League, you can get TP.
If you finish Guild Raid/Mission/Bosshunt, you can get interesting items that you cannot obtain anywhere else such as Hamster egg and unique seeds that you can grow inside Guild Hangout.

If the Guild Master completely disappears, then the guild is pretty much dead and it is pointless to stay in my opinion. You won’t get the advantages that you should get as a guild member. There is almost no difference between joining a guild or playing solo in this case.

#12

Sorry man, hadn’t checked the forums in a few days, but it looks like you got your answer.

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#13

I was mining all information about templar and guilds, because I was thinking on doing a Templar, since I at least could play as an Crafter/Farmer/Leader/Manager in ToS even with the Lag on my Poporion computer (bad computer), you know, even if you cant fight properly, you still can command, and I got good ideias of how encouraging members to play, from the weak to the elite, everyone doing their parts. But I was thinking my clan could work without me having to be present everytime a event will happen. For example if members could enter by theirselfs, I would just let the most trustworthy member to be the general that would command, while I do my part in the time I have, not focusing on the events itselfs, but by organizing the members and assets of the clan properly.
Dont worry, I had give up this ideia. I dont want invert the paper and do the oposite, I mean, by organizing the clan for someone, would be too much work for something that is not mine.

Thanks for give me atention any way. Enjoy the game.

#14

I thought I’d give this case an update.

So someone in my (this, aka previous) guild got into a fight with someone else. Well, they were arguing about something-ET. One of the guys who had a fight whispered me and told me that he’s kinda bored in this guild, and that he wants to move to another one.

I asked him why he would want to do that, he said, “We’ll never gonna do GvG in this guild.”, but everyone knows it was because of the fight. So I told him that I secretly wanted to leave this guild in the beginning because of the same reason, but didn’t told him that I actually can’t, because I was already comfortable with our guildmates. He then said he’ll save me a spot in a new guild.

And so the day after, he left with his friend, which was also in my previous guild. I shouted something, which I forgot what was it about, so then this guy who asked me to move, whispered me and told me that he had saved me spot in a certain guild.

Now, I originally wanted to invite my closest friend in my previous guild to join this guild together with me, but said that he didn’t want to, because she’s already commited to this one.

That night, the rather-like assistant of the guild, which is the other guy that was in the fight, mentioned that we’ll join GvG tonight, but unfortunately, when he tried to log in to the GM’s ID, it seemed that he had changed it.

Next day, two of my other guildmates had moved to this certain guild, and I asked them, I thought you said you didn’t want to move? They told me to read the guild’s description, and I immediately checked it. “Please find a new guild.”

So then I asked the guy who asked me to move if there’s still a place for me to move there, because I don’t want to be a stray cat. He said yes and told me to go to Fedimian Ch 3, then I joined the guild.

The night, the GM finally abandoned the guild, and here’s the plot twist! He’s actually joining the guild that I just joined.

This assistant-like guy then told me everything about the conversation he had with my previous GM. He said that the GM had no more intention in playing the game, but in reality he logs in everyday.

It seems, he was only lying, and trying to escape from the responsibilities of being the GM. His assistant asked him why did he change his password when he’s not gonna play with this game anymore.

This guy said, “Just leave me your ID and password, please. I can take care of this guild, if you’re not going to.” But my previous GM replied “This is my account, stop controlling it.”

I want to say that if you don’t want to be responsible, then please don’t start a guild. It’s like giving false hopes to a lot of people. I was seriously angry, sad, and disappointed at that time. He could’ve taken us more seriously, at least, he could’ve tried to think of us as his ‘friends’.

Okay, so that’s that. It literally has been two weeks ever since I joined this new guild. Honestly there was nothing special in this guild, until now.

I tried to blend in, and tried to deepen me and my guildmates’ relationship, but honestly they don’t seem to be interested in me, and I don’t see anything in them that’s going to make me happy, unlike my previous guildmates.

I don’t talk as often as I talk in my previous guild, I’m not even close to them. Sure, there’s ET, GvG, PvE, and all, all I had ever dreamed of, but that’s ironically the problem now. They only use the “guild chat tab” when they’re taking about serious matters like ET.

They don’t talk about personal stuffs, just like we did. I don’t see a spark in this guild, and I regret joining it. I’d rather be a stray cat rather than blending with other cats that aren’t the same type as me. But if I leave now, I’m certainly gonna be asked to death why I did it.