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Guide to Fencer / Doppel / Bullet Marker [PVE]

Class and Rank Swordsman
#3409

It seems that the media wants to tell you they use rapiers…
Believe me, they shouldn’t be called matadors, more like barbarians v.2

And yes, the famous toreros use something like a rapier, but it’s just a thin sword to trust, since it’s only sharp at the very end. Not for slashing, unless you hit with the tipper but still not a rapier.

Also i don’t really know if someone watched game of thrones but there’s a specific scene when a guy cuts a horse head with a 2h sword, then put it in an arena with a bull, there you have a matador (obviously not everyone is like that, most of them use estocs and different swords)

#3410

Yea, that’s what’s called in english, estoc.
80 something cm counting only the blade

#3411

what you described IS a Rapier…

#3412

Playing with some numbers here. If you plan to do a doppel, you must take highlander 2 instead of 3…

#3413

“won’t do anything”

As a high dex Fencer I say: it’s not that easy to keep your evasion very high at higher levels, your boots is a HUGE part of it (my poor man’s white boots alone gives me 148 evasion before guardian). My stats build is 1:4 str/dex, +30 dex from Ellaganos cards, +14 from max petamion, +11 from karacha.

I’m not theorycrafting here, I’m sharing my experience. Plate set -> Cancel Guardian into Gung Ho -> Remove boots -> Crossguard.

Is it very reliable? No. I’m not a very high str highlander.
It’s worth the trouble for DPS? Maybe for mission bosses. That demands some math specially since we have a 0 cd skills, maybe for a preparation + sept burst and to help other piercing damage allies.
It’s fun to do? Hell yeah.

Of course you ain’t blocking mobs with Shade set, evasion boots, full leather bonus and Guardian on. Also, I like to wear plate top/bot on some maps, Aspersion 17 is broken, literally taking 1 (if they even pass my evasion) damage with a +0 220 white plate set. Don’t even need the hp bonus so I keep the evasion boots + vubbe for aoe ratio.

@kradenmike4

Haha, can’t wait to see those combos happening here.

Do you guys know if Discerning Evil from Pardoner works with Crossguard’s stagger? Can Pandemic spread Spear Lunge and CG’s stagger?

@Kascly

Explain this… Skull Swing seems huge for Doppels…

#3414

Idk if pandemic can spread but I know discerning evil extends spear lunge. I’ll test out cross guard with DE probably if I can find a pardoner. The combo I can pull off atm with ease but epee with cd changes everything. I’m probably just going to fit in spear lunge during the downtime of epee and open up at the beginning with cguard only.

#3415

PA 1000, CA 1000(easy to achieve), Attribute 50%, Mob level 280 with 400 def(leather)

HL3>BARB>DOPP3:
DoV: 15
Skyliner: 10
Skull Swing applied + cross cut + cleave + Zwerchhau
Damage dealt = 26.854

HL2>BARB2>DOPP3:
DoV: 15
Syliner: 5
Warcry(new): 5
Cross cut + cleave + Zwerchhau
Damage dealt = 28.060

In HL2, I subtracted the monster def from your PA.
In HL3, skull swing has a hidden attribute which increase your damage so I skipped that additional.
Those numbers can be highter if we apply Sturtzhau(armor break) in HL2.

Comparing all 2 scenarios, we can tell HL2 is a bit more efficient.

Edit: Sorry for the big header.

#3416

lol, I never thought that lv 5 warcry would be so effective, also lv 10 cleave with all this physical attack is no joke if the target is stunned, how much it would do? You think it that can beat a vertical slash combo?

Oh and you can even stack frenzy lv 5 for bossing…
Barbarian is reaching wiz 3 levels of OPness. What’'s the next step? Bring Savagery back?

#3418

@Epten

Well after doing some research it seems that i have found something interesting.
It seems that Estoc’s go WAY back in history, but as armor got more advanced the sword needed to do so also to remain an effective weapon during those times.

And while i cant find any specific information on the relationship between Rapiers and Estocs (Also known as a Tuck)
There were both special Medieval thrusting swords, and used since the 1300s. But Estocs seem to be larger and heavy, two-handed blades specifically designed to puncture or beat in plate armor.
Vs a Rapier which was a made thinner and lighter it was designed to pierce the holes of chain mail and damage the joints of the person in the receiving end. (This is why Rapiers are not weak to plate in TOS if anyone is wondering)

The rapier originated in Italy and Spain (same as bull fighting)
And from there it spread throughout Western Europe being made thinner and lighter as a cheap and affordable weapon for civilians to arm them self’s with.
Along with the rapier came its own style of swordplay, and with a style requiring a new and less instinctive manner of moving and to be more effective a specific footwork had to be learned.

Now since Rapier’s originated in Spain and became popular around the late 1500’s Plus the act of fighting bulls as a sport was not introduced until the early 1700s, I theorize that perhaps since people have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Estocs/Tucks, and Rapiers (even to this day!)
Matadors probably used Estocs/Tucks to fight bulls but due to the growing popularity of Rapiers in other parts of the world, in addition to its place of origin perhaps people just looked at the Estoc was a thick Rapier?

#3419

To each their own~

I tried the Cross guard thing before, and I’m just not a fan of waiting around for a block to boost at most 2 skills maybe 3.
PLUS swapping all my gear out just to block…

Yeh no thanks, thats too much work for a 8s window, its not worth it IMO.
You would probably be better off using spear lunge…
At least then you can choose when to do it, and you don’t need to swap all your gear to pull it off…

Yeh I had Barb3 Doppl, its even better with Pain Barrier active and you getting DOV stacks at the same time~
it starts to get stupid strong, lol.

#3420

Keep in mind that you need 5 targets though.

#3421

Trying to train up to 170 solo here, and yeah that stupid quest pissed me off. SW1 needs a status resist debuff, please make it happen IMC

#3422

Highlander and Barbarian are pretty bad at circle 1 imo. If I had to choose, I’d say Barbarian just for slightly stronger skills and +50 crit rate off Cleave

#3423

Slightly? +50% slash bonus with high uptime is a lot more than just slightly imo

#3424

I meant the base skill damage is slightly stronger overall, barring possibly Cartar Stroke

#3425

Yeah, Spear Lunge is much better.

#3426

Boss dungeon spawns 4 traps = 5 targets :wink:

#3427

you wouldn’t us early ranks for dmg unless your end game class can boost it.

True, Well i dont see any flaws here, lol.
Are you planning on a low DEX build?

#3428

No point in a low dex swordie unless you have 3 gems lv 10 + 2 sissels + 3 headgears with +13 crit rate each and a cleric slave to save your ass every time.

#3429

Meh, Ive seen low dex work in some builds…
idk about now though…
I’ve not played in a while.