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[Guide] Swordsman's Battle Manual (All classes) - By Cathexis

Class and Rank Swordsman
#869

So once more, does the stacks of varol apply when hit with magic attacks?

Could Valor’s atspd stack with atspd from chronomancer’s buff? Yeah I know, if it is possible then I’ll just kill all my large stamina through DWA in 10-15 sec but it could be fun.

What ratio str:dex would you suggest or at what point I may stop investing in DEX?

Thank you for your reply, it gave me a lot of info to think on.

Could I also ask you for advice with my second char? I want two make two-hand sword warrior and now won"t lose 2nd circle and will have peltasta.
So it will be like that SW-PEL-?-?-?-DOP-DOP. I’d like to ask which is better - barb3 or high3 or maybe high1/barb2 (for passive from high)? I am going to pick 1dex-1str (cause now i will have 18%eva from guardian) or maybe I should get another ratio? That char will be only for pve.
I know such question has been asked several times in this tread. But there are talkings about flat damage and dmg with conditions like skyliner that hits harder on bleeding targets. I just can’t fully understand are such skills better in the long run (i mean for higher and higher lvls)? And isn’t cleave the same if its hit harder on stunned enemy?

#870

Hello. I’ve been searching for a solo PvE Shinobi guide but I can’t seem to find one. Which do you think is better?
Swordsman > Highlander c3 > Corsair c2 > Shinobi
Swordsman > Highlander > Barb c2 > Corsair c2 > Shinobi
or any other suggestions for solo PvE? thanks :slight_smile:

#871

@Cathexis, I was reading your guide once again, but I’m pretty sure you forgot about Jolly Roger’s bonus damage.

At lvl 1 you have 10 stacks. At lvl 2 will have 11 stacks etc.

You need to be a party leader (only you in the party works too) and kill an enemy in 5 seconds to receive +5% of damage. If you and your party kill 5 monsters at the same time, the bonus will be +25% for 5s while you don’t kill another monster to increase bonus, for example.

When it reaches the maximum stack, it will reset.

JR also has an attribute which can nullifies an enemy’s attack by 2,5% at lvl 5 and increases the chance depending of how many players in your party. I never tested or noticed how much it increases.

#872

Besides what Derael said, I would:
•Max out Cleave instead of Helm Chopper, for the extra damage and possible future buffs.
•Get at least level 1 of Umbo Blow for an extra CC.

Other than that, you can also consider taking Hoplite instead of Barbarian, but that is mainly if you would rather balanced your build out with PvE.

For Shinobi, I would say that this build is better because Shinobi’s main trick the clones works fine for a 1v1 scenario but not so much when there are more people involved in a fight.

What will give me a more balanced approach for PvE and PvP? Barbarian or Hoplite?

I’m almost reaching class 3, and i need to be sure of what class i will pick next. =/

I want something that will be invited to Earth Tower parties, and that can do ok on GvG.

Let me try some builds, and if possible, you can give me some advice of wich one is better for what i’m looking for:

http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/450br3t6kc/

  • The idea is to have Hook + Spear Lunge + Bash:Knockdown + Punish to try to CC and burst down more vulnerable targets at GvG.
    Deeds, Finestra, Gung Ho, Concentrate and Double Weapon Assault act to increase the damage and help create burst window.

For PvE, i can use same passives to increase damage plus Ciclone and Stab, to produce some rotational DPS. It brings a 8/10 Jolly Roger, and can act as off tank with Guardian 5/5 plus Swash Buckling 5/5

http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/c0igpm2ani/

  • The idea behind this one is try to use Barbarian Stuns + Giant Swing as a substitute for Corsair CC.
    Helm Chopper + Umbo/Bash Knockdown + Seism.
    The idea is to rush in with Pouncing and then build some Frenzy. Use Giant Swing on the healer, use warcry and then stun a target and use Redel + Zornhau to try to burst him down.
    Some Com to help resist damage will enable Deeds of Valor to have huge effect in enabling a kill i believe.

For PvE it lacks party buffs, but ciclone 10, seism 10 and cleave 8 plus warcry, with frenzy with atribute on, deeds 10 can produce some nice aoe damage i hope.

http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/0urhkd8crt/

  • I like this build, but it seems to have no use in PvP.
    I will talk less about it, because its damage is obviously nice, but i don’t see how it could be useful on GvG. But i may be wrong, so i will leave it here.

Any change, or any other build i could try that can be effective in PvE and GvG(PvP)?

Thank you.

I’m reached 3 class and im not sure about what to do.
Please help me. I really dont know what to do.

I can go: Hoplite > Hoplite > Corsair > Corsair > Dopplsoeldner
Hoplite > Hoplite > Corsair > Corsair > Dragoon
Barbarian > Barbarian > Barbarian > Doppelsoeldner > Doppelsoeldner
Hoplite > Hoplite > Hoplite > Doppelsoeldner > Dragon

There is too many options, and i’m very unsure about what will do what i want.

What i wish is for a damage focused build that can do ok in PvE, including Tower, and be useful on GvG.

I don’t have a particular style i want to persue in weapon or anything.
(If it was viable i could even play Templar, but i fear hes too weak of a class to be a main character right now…)

I already lost one character, i don’t wish to lose another… class selection cannot go back. Skills i can get reset if i need it too much, but once i pick my next class its either sucess or fail…

Thank you again for the help.

#873

Hello Cathexis,

Thanks for you detailed swordman guide,which give me lot of useful information during my build research. In process of planning my build i pursued 2 main goals: only PVE and maximum effectiveness during solo farm and even solo boss (if that possible?) at this moment is came up with 3 builds in my list, first two are standart, straight and almost clear for me.

  1. Swordsman>>Peltasta>Barbarian C3> Doppel C2
  2. Swordsman > Peltasta > Hoplite C3 > Doppelsoldner > Dragoon
    (In second build you advice go full STR-could problems arise at high lvl since i will have very little amount of dex? )
  3. and finally build i tried to create myself based on your recommendations and class explanations
    http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/1yy1f8i9mc/
    I took HIgh C2 and Barb C2 for their skills,sacrificing Peltasta and aoe taunt. For Highlander it is Two-handed Sword Mastery and SPR/INT lowering ability. For Barc and Doppel it is get maximum damage on mobs.
    Questions i cant find answers for this build are:
  4. Is this third build viable and meet my goals better or not than first two?
  5. If its viable,what stat allocation i should pick
#874

How viable is Sword3 Cata3 Templar?
I am surely going Sword3 Cata3 so its probably Templar for me as a guild leader with my friends
going 1:1:1 Str Con Dex

#875

It is one of the best Templar builds IMO.

You get mobility and CC. As a templar your damage will usually be low, so focusing on CC is a good idea. You may even go full CON templar with this build just to be always alive to summon members etc.

#876

HEY I am currently stuck between barb 3 and then fencer or corsair x 2 and then shinobi , the reason being that i hear everyone saying that corsair DPS ability loses to fencer easy, can you pleas give me your opinion? I want to be a a good dps with some pvp ability .

Thank you

#877

If we got same buff like ktos, is it worth to get frenzy lvl5 over helm chopper lvl10? Noted im going barbarian c2 only with balance pvp, pve build. What is 2nd best rapier beside of lolopanther? The best i see so far rapier ingame are vernier and magas rapier.

#878

Please anyone help me with my build.
Im stuck and cant keep playing because i’m at class 15 and cannot decide what class to go now.

I want to be damage focused, and be able to play effectively in Tower PvE, and be ok for GvG.

I’m Sword > Petalsta right now, and the next class will decide most of my build i believe…
Either go Hoplite, or Barbarian… or should i go Cata? Idk… =/

#879

which weapon gem should I use for hoplite c3 ?

#880

Is this build ok for PvE and PvP?

#881

Cathexis, in your last guide, you say that Zega Spear was really the best spear option right now (at beta), would you say the same now? Because I really don’t find Spear Throw so appealing, so, I think Geras Spear would be a wasted in my build, I use a Zega Spear +6 Right now. (or there’s a Spear that maybe I don’t know it exist that could work better? XD)
I’m Sw/Pel/Hop x3/ going for Doppel then Dragoon, so I maximize Finestra and Stabbing at 15 (17 with Zega’s) and Pierce 14 (16)
And… would be better a classic gem for my equipo (green, red, etc) or the +1 skill you say would worth it?
Ty in advance :3

#882

Quickly built it , but I would like those roads , it is now feasible from both PvE and PVP [ GvG ] ?

I like to put a point on the skills of at least some push or trap , it’s a obsession ^^ u

EDIT1: I think too in another build like this, how do you see?

#883

OMG !!!
In the korean patch notes, they gave barbs cleave a 5sec debuff, that gives +50% slash damage…

Now a few days ago i went Swordsman c1 - Highlander c3 - Peltasta c1…
I was thinking about the decision so long if its better to take Peltasta c1 or Barb c1 and now with those changes, Barb c1 has an awesome synergy with my build because i wanted to focus on 2hand swords… Next 2 ranks going Doppel.

If they really implement those changes i feel useless with my build :frowning:
Is there any TP item that lets you change 1 lass rank?

#884

Yeah that looks good, I would max pain barrier by taking lvl 4 gung ho lvl 3 conc if you’re going to be focussing on pvp more. If PvE is more important than the way it is now is fine.

#885

hi. can u help me pls about stats on my c3 swordman c3 cata dragoon.
i know about popular 4-1-2 or 4-2-2.
but i had a talk with one guy who is a dragoon 240 lvl now. he said for pvp for damage u need more dex. like 2-1-3 build. please,Cathexis, can u say smth about it. he said str scales damage badly, and dex need for more crit.
now im 120 lvl sw3-cata1. with 110 str-50con-70dex
and please say smth about double slash(swordman c3 skill) in pvp.
in pve i like it very much now)

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#886

If the +50% slash damage debuff with cleave also comes to our server, then i need to rethink my build.
Currently Swordsman c1 - Highlander c3 - Peltasta c1
Seems like i need to throw the idea with specialising in 2hand swords away, so would 2x Fencer have any Synergy at all with my build or would it be wasted?

And what other options do i have?

#887

Do we get a stat reset in the future? I play a lot of solo due to irregular hours of play with my friends atm so I am going Str:Con:Dex 1:1:1 right now.

#888

Don’t restrict yourself to a linear build

The game has a weapon-swap option, as well as a mechanism that helps you to automatically switch to the weapon set required to use the skill you activated, as long as you have said set equipped.

How do i Do this? OO im getting annoyed with pressing Alt z :stuck_out_tongue: