[Guide] Swordsman's Battle Manual (All classes) - By Cathexis

[9thNight]

So, physical attack can be block, evade and affected by pdef. Any ways to reduce magic atk and cc (duration, immune)? Swordman related only

[Kazuto_ToS]

Thanks for the reply man.

I chose these classes to build around my idea of Corsair:
Swordsman C2 - Restrain, Gung Ho, Concentrate to boost my autoattacks
Barbarian - Frenzy and Warcry for more damage boosts, and attacking faster to proc Restrain more
Corsair C2 - The crux of my build
Shinobi - Liked the idea of the class, read it has potential in PvP if controlled correctly.

What I’m trying to do is go full damage while I’m PvE’ing with my party, when I’m high level I’m going to shift to PvP.

I’ve been doing 2:1 so far, not 3:1, I was wondering if I should change to 3:1. I’ve also been using my Zemyna statue points on CON, is that enough?

I guess I don’t have to go Shinobi, would you recommend Doppel/Fencer/CorsairC3 instead for what I’m trying to do?

Thanks again.

[fitzfeliz]

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[Destinado]

but if Barbarian doesn’t scale as well if it doesn’t have Strength, then I’d rather not go it.

The thing is, your build will replace it’s damage source with Fencer skills once you reach Rank 6. So Barbarian doesn’t really have to scale because you are gonna be using Fencer damage sources most of the time anyways.

Any suggestions? Should I really just replace Highlander with Barbarian instead? I kind of don’t want to since Highlander Fencer looks like it flows together really well.

If you want to go into 2 circles of Fencer, then you don’t really have too many options unfortunately.

If you want more AoE then Barbarian is the way to go, but don’t expect it to be on the level of a Doppelsoeldner or Dragoon type of AoE damage at higher levels. It will still be good enough for most of your journey to max level though.

And some higher level maps have lower mob density so it is more likely to find scenarios where you fight 1~3 mobs at once rather than a larger group, in this case then Fencer has no problem holding his own in terms of damage.

If you go Highlander, then you would acquire the possibility to enhance your Pierce damage with Cross Guard, while keeping some nice statuses like Bleeding and Shock on your kit.

Peltasta is mostly because of the +18% Evasion, +25% HP and the AoE taunt that it gives you. Plus it enhances your chance to block and defense if you are using a Shield on your off-hand. So it is a pretty nice to boost your character in other ways.

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Is a stun based build a good idea? Do they work well against bosses?

Stun doesn’t work against bosses.

My build idea so far is Swordsman C2 - Barbarian C3 - Fencer C2

Overall it is fine, but I would rather pick Peltasta or Highlander instead of Swordsman C2.

Stun doesn’t really do much in PvE. Restrain has low synergy with Fencer because of the nature of the class and Barbarian covers the stun part anyways.

But if you are already too far into the game, I think it wouldn’t too much of a problem following the build you have already planned. At least you will have an extra tool that could or could not be useful for PvP.

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I want to konw if you put the important Attributes is ther a max or can i up other Attributs too?

You can increase others too, especially if you have a Token to increase 2 Attributes at once.

and i want go Sword/Peltasta/Hplithe c3/Rondelero if i do so would you change some skills you did tell in your build or still go like you told? cuz if i use Shild/Spear all the time ther are maybe better skills for me?

You would probably have to link me your build for me to get a better idea of what you are trying to do.

About my stats i want do PvE/PvP i did spent all in STR im lvl 43 now sould i put some points in other Stats?

Yeah, you should have a few points into DEX by now and maybe a few on CON.

Although that Hoplite guide was for iCBT2, all the new information is on this one.

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I figured out that Crown can reduce the int of the target for some duration. Something like 100 int. I also believe Spr is also reduced.

Well yeah, it is on the skill description.

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Is Long stride now still like this ? no casting, even at level 5-10This skill has no effect nor cc ?

It is still like that, it has no other effect, low damage and huge cooldown.

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Would something like this work? And should I change to STR 3:1 DEX instead of 2:1? (I’m only level 72 so I can still change my Stats)

It really depends on what you are trying to do with your build. Why did you pick up those classes?

If anything, I would say that if you went with Swordsman C2 might as well just picked Swordsman C3 so you could use Double Slash with your Shinobi clones.

But I am assuming this is mostly a PvP build, if that is the case I would suggest you to put 1 point into Dust Devil to have an extra small CC skill.

I think it could work, after all PvP is about what you as a player do with the tolls you have available on your kit. In this case you selected a PvP style around stuns and Shinobi mechanics, so it will come down to your skill as a player to make it work in such an environment.

For stats, I think you are going to need more DEX if you want to critical hit reliably, or wait until you get better gems/equipment for it. So maybe follow a 2 STR : 1 DEX build until you feel comfortable with your Critial Rate, then keep on doing the 3 STR : 1 DEX ratio you have been doing so far.

You could also build around an Evasion build with High DEX, since it also has a good synergy with Shinobi.

And don’t forget to add CON, because you are going to need it both as a Shinobi and for PvP (because your clones make you more vulnerable).

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Now i’m Swordman 1 (level 15/15) with this skills:3 Bash5 Gung Ho1 Pain Barrier(and i have 6 skill points to assign)

i was reading that you not consider assign on bash, do you think that i need to become from zero and put all to Pain Barrier, or is not neccesary?

This is the way I would skill that build, so you can take a look and compare it with what you had in mind already:

Swordsman->Peltasta->Hoplite C3->Doppelsoeldner->Dragoon

• 7 points free on Peltasta, so you can add them to the skills you like more.
• 8 points free on Hoplite, so you can max either Pierce or Stabbing.
• Dragoon can either max Gae Bulg or Dragon Soar, depending on preference.

About the stats i have STR 22 and DEX 10 for now!

Please i will really grateful if you can ask me and guide me.

Looks good. Since you are a new player, I would suggest you a High STR build for now, so you can add more points into DEX and CON (especially CON), that way you can get familiar with the game without having to run a build that relies on being a little more experienced (Full STR).

Once you feel more comfortable with the game in general, you can move to a more heavy STR build if that is the path you want to take.

Thank you so much for your help! And for all you do for the community.
I will test this build, and when i finish i will give you a feedback.
Can you tell me the equipament that would be use for that build?

Thanks again, a i’ll waiting for your response!

[Cathexis]

im goin dop2 pvewhat would be better barb3 or hl3?

and could please you teach me how skill rotations are done from both classes

Both options are viable, it depends on what you are looking for, so you need to be more specific.

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So, physical attack can be block, evade and affected by pdef. Any ways to reduce magic atk and cc (duration, immune)? Swordman related only

Reliably? Not really.

Magic Defense from SPR scales really poorly. And there is Slithering (from Rodelero C2) which can block magic, but it cannot block CC (for example: if you are hit with a Freezing spell, you don’t receive damage but you still get frozen).

Other than that, you can get a Plague Doctor in your party to grant immunity to CC, but that is not Swordsman related.

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I’ve been doing 2:1 so far, not 3:1, I was wondering if I should change to 3:1

I think 2:1 is good for now and you can switch to 3:1 once you are Corsair C2, by then you will be able to tell how good your character is in terms to DPS potential and if you feel comfortable with it’s current state.

I’ve also been using my Zemyna statue points on CON, is that enough?

For PvE, yeah. For PvP, you are going to need more CON, at least 50 points in it.

I guess I don’t have to go Shinobi, would you recommend Doppel/Fencer/CorsairC3 instead for what I’m trying to do?

You mean take any of these at Rank 7?

I wouldn’t really recommend Fencer with Swordsman C2 since it is a skill-based class, so the auto-attack build you are trying to make doesn’t fit well with it.

Doppel could work since it also increases your attack speed, which is something you were looking for, while having Cyclone covers a weak area of your build in terms of damage (and currently it is bugged, so it can activate Restrain while using it, but it could be nerfed in the future).

Corsair C3 is a dead rank right now, so I would highly recommend to stay away from it until it is actually developed.

So it would probably be between Shinobi and Doppelsoeldner, depending on which one is more appealing to you.

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not really sure if i can optimize anything from it anymore tho.

Your skill point distribution is pretty well done already.

If anything, I would consider skipping Cartar Stroke since you will have Earth Wave on your build, this way you would get Crown instead. But since this is a PvE build, not really necessary.

Other than that, just remove the 1 point from Thrust and add it into Pain Barrier. You don’t need Thrust because your weapon, spear, already gives you a reliable source of Pierce damage.

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Can you tell me the equipament that would be use for that build?

To be honest, just use the best you have at hand.

Right now there are not that many good items at the market (and if there are, they are overpriced). So just use whatever you get your hands on and don’t worry too much about it. The armor you get from quests can get you pretty far without much problems.

If anything, just focus on getting a good weapon without spending your entire bank on it.

[Calvin]

I’m sure that the skill increases block coz when you check the skill preview, the monster inflict just 103 damage because it was reduced by block. The caster received 208 when shield failed.
My assumption is it will trigger the Block buff if the incoming attacks hit literally the hit box of ice shield or simply 50% chance. You’ll notice that the 4 shields are orbiting slowly… looks meant to success or fail. So basicly it’s like a crossguard/quarrelshooter shield but just a mobile one and has bigger blocking area.
The old skill preview used to be this one.

I saw this vid uploaded just a couple of week ago, the skill has 30sec duration and not 45sec anymore. Yet still OP.
https://youtu.be/s_K_J8LiH9s

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[Destinado]

im goin dop2 pvewhat would be better barb3 or hl3?

and could please you teach me how skill rotations are done from both classes

Both options are viable, it depends on what you are looking for, so you need to be more specific.

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So, physical attack can be block, evade and affected by pdef. Any ways to reduce magic atk and cc (duration, immune)? Swordman related only

Reliably? Not really.

Magic Defense from SPR scales really poorly. And there is Slithering (from Rodelero C2) which can block magic, but it cannot block CC (for example: if you are hit with a Freezing spell, you don’t receive damage but you still get frozen).

Other than that, you can get a Plague Doctor in your party to grant immunity to CC, but that is not Swordsman related.

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I’ve been doing 2:1 so far, not 3:1, I was wondering if I should change to 3:1

I think 2:1 is good for now and you can switch to 3:1 once you are Corsair C2, by then you will be able to tell how good your character is in terms to DPS potential and if you feel comfortable with it’s current state.

I’ve also been using my Zemyna statue points on CON, is that enough?

For PvE, yeah. For PvP, you are going to need more CON, at least 50 points in it.

I guess I don’t have to go Shinobi, would you recommend Doppel/Fencer/CorsairC3 instead for what I’m trying to do?

You mean take any of these at Rank 7?

I wouldn’t really recommend Fencer with Swordsman C2 since it is a skill-based class, so the auto-attack build you are trying to make doesn’t fit well with it.

Doppel could work since it also increases your attack speed, which is something you were looking for, while having Cyclone covers a weak area of your build in terms of damage (and currently it is bugged, so it can activate Restrain while using it, but it could be nerfed in the future).

Corsair C3 is a dead rank right now, so I would highly recommend to stay away from it until it is actually developed.

So it would probably be between Shinobi and Doppelsoeldner, depending on which one is more appealing to you.

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not really sure if i can optimize anything from it anymore tho.

Your skill point distribution is pretty well done already.

If anything, I would consider skipping Cartar Stroke since you will have Earth Wave on your build, this way you would get Crown instead. But since this is a PvE build, not really necessary.

Other than that, just remove the 1 point from Thrust and add it into Pain Barrier. You don’t need Thrust because your weapon, spear, already gives you a reliable source of Pierce damage.

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Can you tell me the equipament that would be use for that build?

To be honest, just use the best you have at hand.

Right now there are not that many good items at the market (and if there are, they are overpriced). So just use whatever you get your hands on and don’t worry too much about it. The armor you get from quests can get you pretty far without much problems.

If anything, just focus on getting a good weapon without spending your entire bank on it.

Okei, and the last question.
How can i put the atributtes to this build? What do you think?

Thank you so so much!

[spiderses]

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For this build, do you think it would be more worthwhile to max Dust Devil over Keelhauling for PvP? And is Iron Hook worth maxing for PvP as well, or is investing more points into other skills a better investment?

[NasiBubur]

The video that you post here maybe the old version about this skill.
I think that’s better

In skill preview It’s not reduced by block
Block make physical attck won’t land damage ( maybe block in description mean the counter )
The skill preview maybe work like this :
1st hit is 208
2nd hit 203 but it’s got counter so the damage land 100 and the counter 103
The Freeze effect will apply if attack get countered

PvP video that you link is a mess, can’t see a thing
They should make larger map for PvP
Can’t confirm the trigger of the freeze effect.
Mele attack will trigger freeze from skill preview
Don’t know about range attack or magic attack.

The skill has 30s Duration coz she just got Cyro2 not cryo3

[igorcll]

Two questions:

About the Templar, in case a real GvG instanced thing actually gets implemented in the future, do you think that those two suggested builds are the best that could survive in such an scenarion, considering that Templar 2 and 3 are actually good enough or at least justify getting more circles as a guild leader. Or would you take another path in this case?

Are Squires actually worth the effort? Asking seriously here.

[Calvin]

Oh well, yea the duration is still the same -.-.
But the way I understand block is if the damage is low enough it will show up “Block” and if the damage is too high it won’t but just reduce the damage. I had a Highlander before.

In cryo’s case, the cryo don’t have shield and enough block stat that’s why there is 103 damage.

Developers are not good at writing descriptions.

[NasiBubur]

But the way I understand block is if the damage is low enough it will show up “Block” and if the damage is too high it won’t but just reduce the damage. I had a Highlander before.

That’s weird
You use 1h sword + shield
or you use Cross guard ?

Block > make any physical damage can’t touch you. even your attack 99999 but it dont have block penetration it’s won’t do any damage.
If a block successfull, “Block” word in blue colour will pops up
That’s why Priest stone skin so OP.

The mechanic as same as evasion.
No matter how powerfull your damage if you don’t have enough accuracy you won’t to any damage.
if a evasion successfull, “Dodge” word in purple colour will pops up

*only for physical damage

The Shield use for Subzero shield only for additional damage at 200% additional damage of shield defense.

[aolgado1]

will the +25% hp attribute in swashbuckling stay if you take off your shield?

[Calvin]

I used crossguard bro.
If some of the counter damage came from the shield defense, where do you think the 100dmg came from? From base magic damage? I’m not gonna afraid of that skill anymore if that’s the case.

[NasiBubur]

Yeah of coz if you use cross guard, Your Block increase insanely.
You can block even without shield with cross guard.
It’s not the enemy damage is low. But their block penetration lower than your Block stat.

No, the damage was from the monster. it’s somehow like reflect shield in Ragnarok Guard skill but have different mechanic i think
The damage from monster supposed to be 203, but with counter effect only 100 damage apply to Cyro and 103 rest damage back to the monster.
This is without shield
If with shield and has max attribute so the monster will get additional damage. 103+(shield def*200%)

Btw why we disscuss about Wizard skill here… LMAO

[fitzfeliz]

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[NasiBubur]

Wuff half of received damage ?
It’s indeed OP, it’s only last for 1hit like Revenged Sevenfold or will last as long as the duration ?

Basically it’s like Ragnarok Paladin Reflect Shield.
But this one has chance, but 60% chance at level 10 indeed OP not to mention the freeze effect and permanent buff.

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With This staff will make 70%
This counter apply to all type of damage ?
Physical and Magic ?

Wizard that become a Paladin

[Calvin]

We’re talking about wiz coz they are the biggest threat to us. Now you mentioned that the reflect is something like paladin reflect shield… oh god… when I was a monk I find that skill so annoying. It’s like a suicide fighting them.

Let’s just hope at least that crown can reduce the countered damage.

[trapchaimar]

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This is my current build. Is it worth if i go for Gung ho lvl14 then Concentrate lvl3(It’s just 7 hits) for its attribute? thxs again

[NasiBubur]

LoL yeah… I already can imagine Wiz > cyro3 > Sorc2/Necro > Warlock

Cast Subzero Shield & Dark Theurge
Spam all your summons.

Stay still don’t move - do nothing. What’s warrior gonna do ? run being chasing by the summons, finally get closed but suffer damage from Dark Theurge. Try to hit, suddenly suicide coz of Subzero Shield. LOL

Crown won’t do nothing coz the damage reflect is from the attacker.
Even with 1 int, damage from wizard still hard.

But still i gonna Choose Warrior
The more tenacious you do the more joy you get.