Here you go. Note: this is NOT a build. Only the set up from my reply.
I didnt know they changed cleave.
I was thinking that both still gives 50%.
But still doppel gives more AOE and hop is lacking AOE.
Defense might have played a role, I’m not sure if the damage increase happens before or after defense. Either way spear lunge is definitely 50% not 20%, you can test the difference it makes on pierce attacks vs how cleave affects slash attacks yourself and it’s clear as day.
Anyways, you seem to be forgetting that this is for dragoon builds. 2h exclusive skills don’t matter. If AoE is what you want, it doesn’t matter that hoplite has poor AoE as it’s there for strong crit and pierce buffs and single target damage, while barb and dragoon provides your AoE. If you still want more AoE, you’re playing the wrong build.
When you compared the skills you have to take cooldown into account as well, you’ll run out of skills very fast on bosses if you take doppel and have nothing to do but autoattack. Hoplite on the other hand gives you two very strong single target skills on relatively low cooldowns (pierce is 30s, almost the same as cyclone, but with high OH, and stabbing has 15s vs cyclone’s 25s with attribute) and plenty of combos with dragoon, some of which I mentioned earlier.
I know dragoon isn’t very popular right now because of all the bugs and the SP draining helmet so it’s hard to discuss the class, but at least take advice from someone who actually plays it. I’ve tried it with doppel and it’s plain inferior in practice.
You have alot of low Cooldown skills.
Seism 2 oh 15s Cyclone 20s Soar 3oh 15s
Pouncing 30s D-tooth 15 Dethrone 20s 2oh
D-fall 50s even serp 20s
I played it too but my swordman is blank right now.
more Aoe= take Doppel
But DoV realy needs a buff ^^