Give me your opinion, so I can finalize my characters

[Naght]

Hello everyone, I am returning player for R9. ( I am assumming there will be a rank reset, if not i won’t be playing anyway =) )

I have 4 Archers, 3 Swordsmans and a Wizard.
I am dead set on cryo-chrono-enchanter2 for wiz, ran-rog-hacka, murm-nobi, QS muskeeter, Reiter3 and QS falconer. other than I got some idea of how the class should be but I just wanna see what other people think about it.

my general question is
G1. do you think rogue2 better than archer2-rogue1 (A-QS3-x-x-Musk3)?
G2. do you think rogue2 better than rogue1-appraiser1 (A3-Ran-x-x-SR3)?

and heres class question
A3. A1QS3Ro1fal3 - Muskeeter vs Bulletmarker ? my problem with bullet marker, apparently all other skill still uses your crossbow attack power, and i dont really plan to upgrade his crossbow.

S4. Doppel next line beside shinobi (I don’t want to do another shinobi quest). I think about something like this https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#1122666999.23354552.3a45557585.5a6a85aaba.1f415366788691a5

S5. give me some swordsman build for my last swordsman. he used to be Fencer, but I came to hate this class, so I dont want another rapier user. I thought about dragoon since dragon soar looks powerful, but cata dragoon still looks bad.

[Zvaigzdes_Fedimian]

Catagoon have advantage in moving speed and raw defense stats (so if you want more party oriented chara its ok and you can get ranks of peltasta to work as shield/spear beefy tank)

Foot Dragoon have advantage in lot of brute power and pretty much endless skill rotation (Most of his skills do not depend on attack speed, and stabbing now have acceleration atribute making dex less important to dish it out fast), also ton of crit rate to use those 5 yellow gems in two hand spear.

https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#1111444fff.3f5f6a85.1f3f596571.213d4f5a7581

You can also skip one (or two) lvl of sword and get peltasta or doppel rank in, using gazing golem card to get pain barrier runing instead.

[myself]

G1. yes, all musketeer skill has high SP cost and high skill factor which is a loss if you dont crit. Just be patient and always repositioning yourself, make every shot crit. sneak hit lv5 has 10 second downtime

[Zvaigzdes_Fedimian]

For BM you can use it at top of SR3 to get ability to convert your AA (Limacoln) dmg to Holy and add extra dmg on top of it with Taser Shots
Than you can add Napalm shot (if you play with mouse) for decent aoe or AP rounds (If you play with gamepad/keyboard) for high dmg single target skill

[Naght]

Catagoon have advantage in moving speed and raw defense stats (so if you want more party oriented chara its ok and you can get ranks of peltasta to work as shield/spear beefy tank)

Foot Dragoon have advantage in lot of brute power and pretty much endless skill rotation (Most of his skills do not depend on attack speed, and stabbing now have acceleration atribute making dex less important to dish it out fast), also ton of crit rate to use those 5 yellow gems in two hand spear.

https://tos-ktest.neet.tv/skill-planner#1111444fff.3f5f6a85.1f3f596571.213d4f5a7581

You can also skip one (or two) lvl of sword and get peltasta or doppel rank in, using gazing golem card to get pain barrier runing instead.

I see, I want to make a catagoon with peltasta and hoplite, but those cata skill looks real bad. they got at most 250% SF.
Foot dragoon brute power, yeah that’s appealing too. but for brute power, I got foot doppel already, that why cata Trot really attractive for me, just that cata other skill…
maybe I should make a foot dragoon then. the old s-p-h3-dop-drag or maybe s-p-h3-bar-drag.

For BM you can use it at top of SR3 to get ability to convert your AA (Limacoln) dmg to Holy and add extra dmg on top of it with Taser Shots

Than you can add Napalm shot (if you play with mouse) for decent aoe or AP rounds (If you play with gamepad/keyboard) for high dmg single target skill

well I want to play foot BM since Desperado and double gun can’t be used on ride, sadly. the only 2 skills I want to use from BM.

G1. yes, all musketeer skill has high SP cost and high skill factor which is a loss if you dont crit. Just be patient and always repositioning yourself, make every shot crit. sneak hit lv5 has 10 second downtime

allright, I’ll make my musk a rougue2 then. Just thinking if I want that lazy kneeling groove combo, but oh well, maybe I’ll just ignore grove since the uptime is bad.

[mrshadowccg]

I see, I want to make a catagoon with peltasta and hoplite, but those cata skill looks real bad. they got at most 250% SF.

Cata skills are still very weak. You have to consider many rank 9 classes have 4000% or more skill factor now.

Dragoon 3 is pretty strong by itself, so it does offset the lackluster damage of Catas. You won’t be a weak class, but you could of been much stronger if you ditched Cata 3 and went unmounted Dragoon.

Cata 3 is sort of more fitting into Lancer, since the new Acrobatic Mount buff gives +50% damage to Lancer skills too. Initiative + Acrobatic Mount makes Rush quite decent too.

Pelta 2 Cata 3 Dragoon 3 is a really nice farming build because of mobility + swash buckling + good damage. They have too few damage skills tho, so the rotation makes you having to wait a lot on cooldowns.

[purplebanana]

G1. Definitely a yes if you can afford 3 lv10 Werewolf cards. Rogue 2 provides better crit chance than Swift step because its flat crit chance, just make sure the skill condition is met and you are good. Without Werewolf the build is still viable, but you will have a hard time positioning yourself in specific cases that can lead to unexpected potential waste.

G2. Keep in mind that Appraiser is not a must to every off-hand weapon build. If you can afford at least +13 orange pistol then Overestimate will become very valuable, if not, no need to bother. Blindside helps you crit while staying mobile but the crit chance is worse than Sneak hit. Sneak hit is better in terms of flat crit chance but it locks your positioning, unless you can afford 3 lv10 Werewolf cards. Im not saying which is better than which, there is no perfect build and everything is situational. If you think your build doesnt need GG cards, go full Werewolf + Sneak hit.

A3. As for any QS3 Falc3 build, the choice range for r9 is wide. Since your main dps is still from RS and battle hawk, whatever you pick in r9 will not matter much. You like badass and classy rifle? Sure why not? You like Demon hunter style with dual pistols? Go for it! You like traditional 2h bow and ethnic fashion? Go Mergen. The possibility is endless. Choose what appears to be the most preferable and affordable to you.

[Naght]

Cata skills are still very weak. You have to consider many rank 9 classes have 4000% or more skill factor now.

Dragoon 3 is pretty strong by itself, so it does offset the lackluster damage of Catas. You won’t be a weak class, but you could of been much stronger if you ditched Cata 3 and went unmounted Dragoon.

Cata 3 is sort of more fitting into Lancer, since the new Acrobatic Mount buff gives +50% damage to Lancer skills too. Initiative + Acrobatic Mount makes Rush quite decent too.

Pelta 2 Cata 3 Dragoon 3 is a really nice farming build because of mobility + swash buckling + good damage. They have too few damage skills tho, so the rotation makes you having to wait a lot on cooldowns.

I see, I did consider Lancer at 1st before dragoon 3 showing it’s dragon soar, but reading many post, apparently lancer2’s is somehow semidead too, along with catas. (wtf happen with these mounted swordsman)
Oh well, it seems that swordsmans aren’t meant to be rider, just let the rider position to archer.

G1. Definitely a yes if you can afford 3 lv10 Werewolf cards. Rogue 2 provides better crit chance than Swift step because its flat crit chance, just make sure the skill condition is met and you are good. Without Werewolf the build is still viable, but you will have a hard time positioning yourself in specific cases that can lead to unexpected potential waste.

Yeah, I think I’ll make mine a rogue 2 then. 2 people vote for this (y)
also rogue 2 have the tear gas area disable too, which is nice compared to A2 skills.
I just somehow consider the lazy kneeling groove combo, but well i’ll just ditch groove alltogether, and level another skill.
O really hope IMC make groove affect skills too. (triple crit Snipe ???)

G2. Keep in mind that Appraiser is not a must to every off-hand weapon build. If you can afford at least +13 orange pistol then Overestimate will become very valuable, if not, no need to bother. Blindside helps you crit while staying mobile but the crit chance is worse than Sneak hit. Sneak hit is better in terms of flat crit chance but it locks your positioning, unless you can afford 3 lv10 Werewolf cards. Im not saying which is better than which, there is no perfect build and everything is situational. If you think your build doesnt need GG cards, go full Werewolf + Sneak hit.

I see. Oh such a waste, I did that long painful appraiser quest for nothing. I’ll make my reiter rogue 2 too then.

A3. As for any QS3 Falc3 build, the choice range for r9 is wide. Since your main dps is still from RS and battle hawk, whatever you pick in r9 will not matter much. You like badass and classy rifle? Sure why not? You like Demon hunter style with dual pistols? Go for it! You like traditional 2h bow and ethnic fashion? Go Mergen. The possibility is endless. Choose what appears to be the most preferable and affordable to you.

But if I took BM, wouldnt my sonic strike damage be so weak because I didn’t upgrade my crossbow ?
I personally don’t like bow. I play bunch of archer classes just for the Guns and sword.

[purplebanana]

But if I took BM, wouldnt my sonic strike damage be so weak because I didn’t upgrade my crossbow ?
I personally don’t like bow. I play bunch of archer classes just for the Guns and sword.

Then you already had your answer. People tend to choose BM for QS3 Falc3 but imo your hawk dmg will reduce because rifle/2h bow has higher atk than crossbow (its a thing you should consider if you play battle hawk style). BM is not a wrong choice, nothing is wrong here. You pick your favorite class, you gain its own pros and cons, thats all.

And i understand the hype, i myself is Musk-main too