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Gave up on tanking...need a DPS build

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

So yeah, after seeing one of the best tanking skills here (aka 2 barrier scrolls):

My drive to get my tank past the last few levels to 280 disappeared and I am now looking at DPS options.

After looking at the current best options - Doppel / Dragoon / Fencer and considering the recent nerfs, I concluded that Dragoon is still the way to go because Fencer lacks AOE and Epee Garde’s nerf was heavier in comparison to Dragoon’s Serpentine nerf (Can still throw in 2X Dethrone during Serpentine’s 5 secs). With that being said, I still want to have some fun in PVP and that means taking up Sword 3 for Restrain.

So my current options come down to these 2. Which is the better one?

  1. Sword 3 > Hop 3 > Dragoon 2
  2. Sword 3 > Hop 2 > Doppel 1 > Dragoon 2

I only consider 5v5. 2v2 is not real PVP.
You might think - why no Corsair? It’s because after doing some battle league I realised that Corsair’s Hook works well in theory, but in practice it relies on members of the enemy team going out of position to score a hook (which rarely happens with good opponents). Cataphract’s impale kidnapping an enemy team works better in theory - you don’t have to stand still.

Would like to hear your opinions on these 2.

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#2

hoplite for PvP ? good luck landing any hit

#3

go meta dragoon build with high dex and CON, dethrone is ur pvp weapon

#4

Anything with dragoon2 is fine for pvp, I mean all you really have to do is spam dethrone and 1 shot everyone (unless you get r7f-ed)

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#6

Goon endgame focused
PVP build will be something like:
Cookiecutter: Sw3>Cata3>Dop1/Sair1>Goon2
Sw2>Hop2>C2>Goon2(Hook>>Stride ambusher)
PVP focused: Sw3>Rod1/2>C1/2>Goon2(HardCC>>burst)

An all rounder PVE/PVP in my case would be:
Sw>Pelt1>Hop2>C1>Dop1>Goon2
Monster Hunter:
Sw2>Hop3>Dop1>Goon2

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#7

I don’t know why people still recommend Corsair at this point.

It doesn’t synergize well with rank 8 classes.
DWA costs stamina to use and auto attacks are weak in comparison to skills. Just look at Dethrone…the gap will only get bigger as ranks increase. Hexen is decent but compared to rank 7 & 8 skills it’s not that good.
Also Barb and Highlander have been buffed. I’d take one of those to c3 over corsair anyday.

Also I’m likely to be using a 2H spear, looking at the available options currently.

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#8

like every1 said
pelt 1 hop 2 corsair 2 dragoon 2
or pelt 1 hoplite 3 doppel 1 dragoon 2.
1st build for single target dps
2nd build for aoe, both are good. your preference. 1st build is more farming/pvp oriented because of jolly roger and hook.
Didn’t realize you want to pvp
swordsman c3 cata c3 dragoon
throw away that hoplite sh1t it sux for pvp.

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#10

this is pretty sad. How much imc hate swordies.

#11

Get cata or reroll again

#12

It’s because after doing some battle league I realised that Corsair’s
Hook works well in theory, but in practice it relies on members of the
enemy team going out of position to score a hook (which rarely happens
with good opponents). Cataphract’s impale kidnapping an enemy team
works better in theory - you don’t have to stand still.

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#13

didn’t realize you want to pvp
throw away that hopltie sh1t
sword 3 cata 3 dragoon and lancer at rank 8.

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#14

For pvp you do not want hoplite at all. It just wont cut it. Long stride CD is too long and finestra is a waste, since you wont crit and just loose the evasion.

Sword3 > Cata 3 > Dragoon 1 > Dragoon 2/Lancer (depends on what you want to do in PvP)

This will not be very optimal for PvE content, but should be good enough for some occasional dungeon rush and whatnot

#15

This is bound to happen. Look at any sport and you see the difference between amateurs and professionals is the frequency of mistakes they make. But once they make one little mistake, you punish them hard. But, even if they don’t make any mistake, you still can immobilize 3 people while only you are immobilized.

Cata works better in any way.[quote=“deanleroy89692, post:5, topic:324401”]
The only thing youre missing out on is a mediocre Lv5 Cyclone and spear toss
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DoV seems better than Hexen Dropper in theory because it will increase you patk no matter how the game goes, since it’s a percentage increase. But the def penalty, limited duration, re stack when cast is annoying. The bright side is no need to switch weapons.[quote=“Fuwaro, post:6, topic:324401”]
Sw2>Hop2>C2>Goon2(Hook>>Stride ambusher)
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This.

Corsair c1 is just for Iron Hook which synergizes with every class except Cata/mount. C2 is another matter that I’m still trying to figure out.[quote=“kosxe21, post:14, topic:324401”]
For pvp you do not want hoplite at all
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Long Stride is pretty good with Iron Hook. See @sttr413 vids.[quote=“kosxe21, post:14, topic:324401”]
Long stride CD is too long and finestra is a waste, since you wont crit and just loose the evasion.
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Not so long to save your life and finestra adds block rate which is a life saver. You just want finestra if your dodge is enough. Also, Guardian +18% eva nullifies Finestra penalty.

@GoldenCross, if you don’t want Iron Hook, go Cata.

EDIT: you don’t need sw3 unless you want max Pain Barrier (which I love). Restrain at 5 is good nowadays.

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#17

Thanks guys for the suggestions.

I know the meta for PVP = Cata 3, but I’m sure everyone out there have dreamed of using a non-mounted class to PVP at some point since being mounted limits the skills you can use. Murmillo was supposed to be the solution, but the helm slows you down and that is cancer in PVP. The damage also isn’t impressive unless you stack debuffs (which is very difficult in PVP outside of landing a melee hook). Murmillo turned out to be a huge disappointment.

Since PVP doesn’t look like it’ll work without a mount, I might scratch that idea and look at PVE by itself. At the moment it looks like a tossup between Dragoons and Fencers, although carrying 2 rapiers because of its durability is really sad. I know the gear I’ll wear will be 3/4 Shade set with Vubbe Fighter Gloves and stats will be a high DEX build. Just need to figure out the right build…

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#18

What abt S1->Pelt1->Hop3->Dop->Dragoon2 for future patch for “Spear Throw.”

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#20

Omg a recommendation from a staff!
But you see Max, that build is a meta build amd there are 361837591 people already running around in that build. Gotta be creative to be fun.

@deanleroy89692 just seeing some vids of Murmillo doing 10k single hits with its skills when monsters have 230k+ HP…I died a little inside, and he’s not even a high CON build