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🦊 [Dragoon C3] Theorycraft Builds Thread

The spear automatically returns to you (assuming it’s immediately as well), at the cost of 200% more SP.

Dragon soar, at level 15 and with the double hit attribute, deals ~2800% damage and costs ~380 SP. Yeah, D. Soar is definitively worth it now.

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So with helmet should be 3360%? e.e

Well it just became reset on ktest like 30 mins ago I could go try it but there’s a bug going on that when people class reset they get stuck at rank 1 and can’t level back so idk. This character I’m going to reset isn’t those that got instant level 300 rank 7. I grinded it manually from level 170 to 320+. The pain of having that bug on that character is gonna kill me lol.

Went ahead and yoloed it.

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Dethrone without helmet with spear lunge (+50% group2) is:
8087
7798
7544
11335

Dethrone with helmet (+20% unknown group) and no spear lunge is:
7215
9636
6380
7724

Dethrone with helmet (+20% unknown group) and spear lunge (+50% group2) is:
7436
8371
8371
7955

Dragontooth without Spear Lunge and Helmet:
1958
1970
2058
2059
(A crit excluded)

Dragontooth with Spear Lunge and Helmet:
3312
2914
3031
2856
3080

986% per dethrone line
257.5% per dragontooth line
1750 - 2016 patk

Should have gotten a better sample size but i had x8 tome didn’t want to waste it. I’ll try another run tomorrow when I wake up, with serpentine and spear lunge together because this data here proves nothing at all unless someone hows how to calculate the damage range in.

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TBH it should be final damage modifier. It’s a C3 skill and it’s only function is to multiply damage, nothing else.

So deathrone 10, dragon soar 15, helmet 1. What is yours last skill point distribution?

Thanks for the tests, but shouldn’t you be testing non-Dragoon skills (like Hoplite’s Spear Throw) to show whether Dragoon’s helm actually increases damage of non-Dragoon skills?

I fail to see the point of testing Dragoon’s skills, since we all know the helm WILL boost Dragoon’s skills…

The test was to see if the Goon 20% modifier was in group1 or group2

Most debuffs in the game are group2 iirc, like spear lunge and serpentine, strike debuffs, slash debuffs.

Thus if helmet was in group1, assuming spear lunge and serpentine, the equation would be:
(120%)(200%) = 240%

but if helmet was in group2, the damage would be
(100%)(220%) = 220%

As you can see, group1 mods are stronger when more debuffs are placed onto the mobs in group2 (the extremely common one).

However, because you need a spear to use dragoon skills, I can’t just unequip my weapon and have 0 damage range. Thus the damage range messed up my test as I only did a small sample size.

I’m planning to make a video in a bit with more sample size. Gonna grab a trash spear and test on some tanky mobs. Maybe the new 300 dungeon.

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Unlisted Video as usual


It’s still processing now, about 27%. Got to wait about 30 mins longer for 1080p.

No Helmet, Spear lunged Serpentine (2639.79 average)
2103
2647
2838
2598
2828
2593
2813

2219
2853
2795
2691

2011
2828
2721
2823
2551
2600
2676
2798
2686
2581
2607
2563
2866

No Helmet, Spear lunged, Serpentine Dethrone (13733.75 Average)
11537
16752
11242
16794

13904
13000

14425
11608

12644
15569
10401
16929

Helmet Serpentine (2582 average)
2477
2420
2315
2810
2234
3101
2407
2230
2353
3128
2927

Helmet, Spear lunged Serpentine (2836.6 average)
2270
2963
2853
3011
2930

2258
3082
3052
3049
2898

Helmet, Spear lunged, Serpentine Dethrone (14224.67 average)
11859
17902
12944
14718

16699
11226

Helmet, Spear lunged (or Serpentine) Dethrone (12748 average)
14038
11181

14042
13564
9096
14937

9437
15689

Helmet, Dethrone (10117.25 average)
11414
9065
9394
10596

Results (on Dethrone):
(100%)(200%) = 200% = 13733.75
100% = 6866.875

(120%)(200%) / (100%)(220%) = 240% / 220% = 14224.67
100% = 5926 if group1 assumed
100% = 6465 if group2 assumed

(120%)(150%) / (100%)(170%) = 180% / 170% = 12748
100% = 7082 if group1 assumed
100% = 7498.8 if group2 assumed

(120%)(100%) = 120% = 10117.25
100% = 8430

Conclusion, I guess I just wasted my exp tome even further. This, like the previous example doesn’t prove anything. I’m even using a 1h spear instead of a 2h spear for lower damage range. Maybe I need to actually break my weapon or something.

:tired:

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So, the dragoon meme thread will live forever?

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Yup it will. :tired:

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Of course it will live on because of the church of ragul. Dragoon is a dps class. Heretics will be purged.

at least its a cool looking class :rofl:

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They should put a “top flashy class” together with thw top dps placement after killing a boss xD Dragoon would finally take the first place.

But seriously, with Murmilo and Doppel relatively staying in the same spot in terms of Damage, maybe Dragoon C3 will be able to reach them with the new damage boosts.

Dragoon

-Gaebulg:
recovery sp consumption changed from 200% to 50%

Dragoon helmet:
-Damage increase changed from 20% to 50%
While buff is active reduce all dragoon sp consumption by 50%

After more testing, using dragon fall and dragontooth this time instead of dethrone, I have found out that Dragoon Helmet is indeed a group2 mod.

For some odd reason, Dethrone doesn’t get boosted by the helmet. I mean, it does but very very slightly that it’s not even near 50%. All other skills showed a lot in difference in damage.
EDIT: For dethrone, only the first out of 2 lines gets the 50% boost.

This is the damage on a plate monster with Dragon Fall.
50%s are from Spear Lunge and Serpentine.

@ZeroFoxGiven replace the video in the thread with this picture, thanks.

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Weird Dethrone interaction there…
Good to see that they care a little about Dragoon, I don’t feel entirely disappointed right now.

Try with Barbarian 3 instead of Hoplite

Doesn’t Wild Stacks only boost barb skills or did they change that ?

Ye Wild Nature Buffs barbs spell ( like cleave, +50 more crit rate). But Warcry debuff (-DED, +ATK) and frenzy (+15%ATK, almost a trascendence) are way better than a spear lunge buff ( 2 overheat, 6 sec per stack = 12 sec total, Warcry debuff stays 50 secs). Try it

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