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EXP Rates explained

General Discussion
#102

You must have been playing with some really horrible people, I’m sorry but the people I play with were, are still, fun and very open to new things. And again your argument about class builds is the same fro everything stillm there is and will be reliable ways to grinding in various location with various builds the same way there is ways do raiding various ways with various builds. Same with pvp aswell, you can’t argue that, it’s fact. My arguments are not illusions nor are they a false sense of free will and freedom. The only one deluding himself here is you thinking that grinding 24/7 is fun, hard and an actual achievement other than a title saying look i have free time! And you can go ahead and think your self special by grinding for hours to increase a stat point and thinking of it as something to be proud of.

Lasting impact my arse, what’s so lasting about pointlessly grinding out in the same are, it’s a complete joke. You certainly find it fun in making the devlopers jobs easy. Hey look this person doesn’t care about our carefully planned and sculptured dungeon and story quest. Let’s just make room filled with the same mob and let him go at it with a false sense of achievment, he seems to like that. Huh duh huh duh duh.

#103

Oh yeah, I remember that. I also remember how you as an individual had to follow orders while your raidleader told you what to do, meanwhile you only had to get your skill rotation down, avoid voidzones and farm money for potions and enchantments.

Really, being succesful in a raid was all about having a good raidleader and 24 people with lots of free time so they could farm the money that was required to raid.
Do I consider that skillful? I don’t know, it’s impressive and theres nothing wrong with people being willing to spend this much time on it if that’s what they really wanted. Good for them.

But yeah, as a individual there wasn’t much thinking involved, nor did you have many options, unless you happened to be the raid leader

#104

Even if what you’re saying is true, do you really think grinding is better? What in the world is wrong with you?

#105

Here we go again with the silly time argument. Like I said, this isn’t about time. I don’t have much time myself, and I certainly won’t be able to grind 24/7.

Now, go ahead and tell me please what kind of MMO did you play huh? All the MMOs I’ve played had optimized builds for everything. If you distrubuted a single skilpoint into the wrong talent you were seen as a piece of trash because you weren’t 100% efficient. That didn’t only apply for raiding but also for PvP. But they, no big deal. You could simply reset your build anyways, so whatever. There is no punishment whatsoever for doing something wrong in a modern MMO, except maybe wiping in a dungeon.

Ahahahahha don’t make me laugh like this PLEASE.
Carefully planned dungeons? A 10 year old could design a dungeon. Just make a hallway, slap some trashmobs into it and at the end of said hallway put a boss. Repeat until endboss, everyone gets loot, teleports back to the capital city and people don’t even exchange a single word during the whole dungeon.
And story? Wow yeah. The writings of modern MMOs are horrendous. Go and read a book. But hey, it’s fine.
They could get away with making a NPC say “peepee poopoo I made doodoo in my pants :DDDDD” because who the hell reads quest text anyways?

#106

Sounds like you are the perfect candidate to design the next hit MMO. Hey you should start it now, might beat ToS on their release.

#107

No one is obligated to deliver anything in a beta. Beta is for testing, so that you may have the opportunity to help make the first impression the best for players during release. Judging a first impression on a beta is absurd.

That aside, it did run on kCBT3 software, but with language pack / content enabled for iCBT1. A GM has also said the focus of the tests were different.

#108

Wow you make every mmo player sound like a complete arsehole, i’m glad you’re in the minority otherwise the mmo world be to toxic for anyone to even have say.

It doesn’t matter whether or not you personally play for 3 hours a day or ven 12 hours a day, the fact remains that grinding is not hard and is by no means an achievement to feel proud of. Min-maxing is in everygame yes but there isn’t a one fits all like you seem to think there is. And yes stat resets are a convinient feature in every mmo, why even bring it up?

You act as if building dungeons, raids and unique boss mechanics is something a 10 year old could do. Well you just insulted every designer in every mmo and made yourself look like an idiot doing it. As for story for the most part yes they can be badly translated and some meanings can be lost in that translation but that doesn’t make the story sub-par. Just because you skip through every story dialogue doesn’t mean I or many others do the same, many mmo’s even with some generic elements have a nice backstory that gets into the game and gives purpose to your killing, only exception are most of the side stories who’s only purpose is there to push you through the levels.

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#109

Tell you a secret. I grinded on Panto Archers till I saved up 110k to test the companion. I was 15 levels (lvl 52) above my quests range by then.

Grind makes sense when it is done for a purpose.

#110

Hey if you enjoy being a good little sheep and want to follow the pattern modern designers are throwing at you then good for you.
But why make ToS like all the others?
You could be playing one of these MMOs you adore so much right now instead of arguing with me.
Sadly I can’t say the same about the games I love
I never even said that grinding is difficult or anything, it’s simply different nowadays.
An experience that I can’t get from many games anymore

#111

You said grinding was a challenge same thing right? Unless ofcourse you meant an easy arbitrary challenge, then yes you never said it was difficult. You say i’m a sheep who follows patterns while you try and defend grinding being the laborious task it is and you seem to feel no embarrassment in doing so. Rather you haven’t realized this or your lack the mental capacity to understand what being a hypocrite means.

There really is no arguing with you, you’re stuck in stubborn ways with false ideals on what’s actually rewarding but whatever. You can have have fun loafing about, because despite your best efforts you are indeed in the minority and like it or not exp rates will 100% increase for release otherwise you can say goodbye to the player base. And I can only hope that it’s enough to put you and the likes off from playing the game so I never have to deal with baseless arguments and a general sense of retardness.

That aside it’s 4:30AM in the morning and I luckily don’t have work so i’m going to get a nice lay in.

#112

Talk about toxic and hypocracy, wow.

I think I made my points pretty clear as to why grinding is fun to me and many others.
It’s all a matter of preference. I accept your idea of fun, why can’t you do the same?

How mean of you to say that you and the majority have the right for a fun game while we the minority don’t.

I’m feeling so opressed! To think that my people, the porings of Prontera field died and faught just so I have to endure these racist slurs…
How shameful…

The modern MMO crowd is showing their true oppressive face once again

#113

Wow you guys gotta chill out. If you wanna look at the real reason for the exp debate:

Grinders can grind, questers can quest. Rate of game progression is determined by in game content. You can’t meaningfully get above lvl 60 in iCBT1, because there’s no meaningful content beyond that. Most are unhappy about the lack of options for progression (aka no fun), but blame it at EXP rate / grind.

Don’t be so blinded by emotions. Understand the problem, feedback, make awesome ToS. :heart:

#114

I didn’t grind at panto archer, so your claim is already false.
(I was grinding while waiting for the rare spawn for the Cafrisun set, then by the time I finished that I could more or less tackle Cathedral where as Priest I had pretty easy time farming there)

#115

I’d like to point you towards your first response at me.

You started this discussion with that frame of mind so don’t be surprised when someone responds in a similar manner.

#116

I’ve been aware of that from the start, but he was still arguing that the current rates where actually fair and should be left in despite popular demand for them to be revised. Going on to giving me baseless facts that revolved around what he finds enjoyable over what most people think all while throwing my opinions in the dirt. Do I regret going a little overboard with my responce? A little, as it degrades my opinions overall. but in the end he had it coming.

#117

I’m very happy with the xp rates.

#118

You can be happy with what ever you want, but again that’s not what most people think.

#119

sorry but you said people that were happy with the xp rates should say it. I was just doing that.

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#120

Oooh, lol I think there’s a thread somewhere with a poll on it. I don’t know how effective the poll is but I think alot are using it.

#121

IF grinding is the only choice to level up, I will not please with it.

BUT, According to what STAFF_Shawn said.

Another thing is that players may feel exp is not enough because of the latest change to make the quest hidden resulting in players not going through all the quests.

So it’s mean normally we will have quest to help us to leveling beside from grinding too…

All of you should remember that two soldiers at miner village that give you repeatable quest, after those guy that kind of quest never appear again ,this may be a reason.