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Even with rank 8 ToS lost more players this month, rng boxes now, really?!

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#1

Listen I know everyone is sick of the end is near threads but for gods sake, is anyone at IMC looking at the player data. We have steadily lost players every month and rank 8 was supposed to be the godsend that rekindled the flame for the older players and brought in new players.
Well rank 8 is here and we are still losing players, partly b/c the terrible state it was released in, with half of it being broken, and partly b/c the majority of the casual players cant make it 10 feet through a new zone without being 1 shot for 18k by an turnip from hell.
With all of this being said, todays news of the cosmetics being turned into RNG boxes just continues to shock me. I mean its literally like ToS is an social experiment to see how badly you can treat people and still have them play your game. Every time I think we have hit a new low on this game IMC surprises me with news like this, well played Mr. Kim.

ps: if you are a white knight and are getting ready to reply to this thread please DIAF, thank you

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#3

Here’s a real question worth asking:

Who the honest ■■■■ is still a white knight at this point? Most of what I see are your hue brigade, your bandwagoners who just jump onto hype/hate trains, and people who’re slowly flaking off the game.

Like, is it a meme at this point? Does it make the shitposting feel slightly less dignified?

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#4

You forgot the anti-hue brigade

#5

I vote there to be an event where we all get to equip axes. chain saws, whatever to cut down that World Tree and use it for old fashion BBQ

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#7

I am kind of conflicted with you…
On the one hand you can make very good post like the practonium one, and give usefull advice to the community
On the other hand most of your other post are garbage classic ToS forum hate/doom post.

This is so bad and stupid tho… i just can’t even ^^

So this one is for you and your 1765 post on how the game is dying on the forum :

#8

I don’t like RNG boxes. But I don’t care for cosmetics. It’s literally a patch to milk the whales.

As long as they don’t implement the horrible Pay To Win gear that kTOS has to the item market that you buy with those coupon figures, I’m still here.

If that is implemented then they can say goodbye to the rest of us.

#9

Its simple really, I enjoy playing the game, I am just sickened by how IMC continues to run it into the ground is all. We have only gotten actual new content twice since founder’s access and when that happens I tend to complete it all in the 1st 48 hours so I try to post info when possible to help others but even then my threads are typically over-run with douchebags starting fights.

#10

I think only 0.5% of the population is like you lol,You’re doing things too fast that you get bored easily and go here and rant about IMC update, seriously go out and get a feel of the outside world. It’s good that you good info to the community, I really appreciate it, but complaining how you finish things so fast is last on their list to try to help you out. There are lots of other stuffs to do like collection, make toons to get new experience.

Well I expect you gonna bash me with your reply since you always do that to people who contradict your post then calls them douchebags. My shield is ready! Bring it on!

#11

nah not at all, if you read my posts I really don’t get into all that back and forth drama, idm giving a jab now and then but the internet pissing contests aren’t my thing

as far as the no life refrence though, sorry, I have 4 kids and a job, this game isn’t exactly rocket science bud, the content is pretty laughable to clear

#12

And yet because of something like this they may add those P2W gear in the future to make more money.

People spend to buy a specific costume, hairstyle, or whatever. If you make it RNG people may try it, but won’t most unlucky people just say “f* it” and stop giving as much money, or money at all ?
It’ll be even worse if it’s so totally RNG that you can get any gender, any class, and even doubles.
It’ll make me laugh a lot because I’m a jerk, but it’ll be really horrible for other players.
People are already complaining constantly because RNG is awful and after playing for 6 months they still haven’t gotten even one Petamion, and IMC just adds some more RNG… But this time with real money \o/

#13

in one of his post he admitted that he suffered OCD, a perfectionist curse. That is why he can’t tolerate imperfection. Every new update he obsessed to be the first one to get best equipment to date or maxing the level cap. When his objectives completed, he start ranting at the bad part of the game. This vicious cycle will happen again when rank 9 and 10 released. Brace yourself!

#14

yeah I’m ready for it! I just notice that after reading most of his post lol, tos is so far from being perfect so maybe the game isn’t for him.

@jchsc32

4 kids? maybe you should take them out then? have some fun and spend time with them while you don’t like the contents of tos and come back once you like the new updates they release

#15

Rank 8 definitely gained new players, SteamSpy says about 20000 more players launched the game, and there was a jump of about 130000 new downloads: https://steamspy.com/app/372000
The interesting number is the average time played has gone down.

Speculation from this point onward. The average play time has gone down, but there has been a large increase in people playing. The first reaction might be bots, however, due to the average time going down I don’t think that makes sense, you’d see the average time increase if it were bots bringing the population up. If I had to guess, it was mid game players who are falling over, and in turn, decreasing the average time played. The new players are new, and exploring the world and may not have experienced many of the frustrations that the majority of the community feels. While the end game is dominated by dedicated players who continue playing, and so they hold steady. Maybe it’s both mid game, and end game players leaving? Maybe some of the new players aren’t really playing and are pulling down the average?

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#16

The most funny thing is that we only see the same people complaining over and over again haha

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#17

I happen to believe that making cosmetics RNG to a certain degree to be a good business model. If it’s all available, then it means less sales. Because it is cosmetics I don’t care how it is sold to the consumer.

The main reason people are so up in arms about these is because they don’t see the bigger picture. They want that ONE outfit and that ONE outfit alone, because they like it.

Now if they want that one outfit they will have to gamble.

This raises the profits of said outfit, not the other way around. When something is random it becomes much more valuable in the marketplace. You will find popular outfits to be more valuable because now they aren’t easy to get with simple TP.

However I think if they implement a random cube system, then there should not be a chance for garbage items like the apples we’ve seen. There should always be a chance for an outfit.

This in turn makes the whales buy more and more lottery tickets and flood the marketplace with unwanted merchandise. One mans garbage can be another mans gold.

All in all I don’t really care about cosmetics personally, but I think it is a better choice to have cubes or a gacha system for them because it does indeed increase revenue and with a diminishing playerbase it’s a valid option. If they don’t implement this then people just buy ONE outfit and nothing else and IMC has no ways of making the player buy more. With gacha, they do.

I just hope they look into how Dota is doing it. There has to be super rare valuables in these things that are shown to the players. The whole coupon point system in my eyes is just incentive to buy more because even if you roll badly you have options to turn those bad rolls into something useful.

However I don’t want those useful things to affect gameplay and performance. Just cosmetics. Then I’ll be fine.

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#18

Pretty much this.

If it turns out the only gacha iTOS gets is literally “non-C3 costumes are random now”, without unnecessary trash added into the mix, as well as whatever supposedly OP equips you can exchange for in a gacha on kTOS that’s possibly unrelated to the one we’re getting anyway… what’s the big deal? IMC actually making more profit off of rich people? Sounds better than something that would affect essential gameplay for everyone (like doubling Token prices or whatever).

Idk, they should post more details so we know what we’re dealing with…

#19

I imagine a lot of the reason average playing time is going down is the end game players leaving. R8 destroyed a lot of the current meta end game builds and added high level areas which just suck in general unless you’re geared out the wazoo and that primarily affects end-game players.

In addition, maybe a lot of the 20k extra players who launched the game are returning players who came to check the game out (does that download number include people who re-download the game after uninstalling? They too might be in that category) and after seeing how terrible the patch was (be it the bugs or the terrible new end game or their meta being destroyed), they left again.

Basically, the patch generated INTEREST in the game so more people downloaded or returned, but the game was even more terrible than before so most of the returners and current players left again. Hence average player time went down while downloads and launches went up.

Maybe.

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#20

Obligatory We need class resets

#21

SIlute looks very lively,i’m leveling an alt and it’s very common to find people on quest maps