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English class names, are they official?

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#1

I’m curious about the name of some classes in English. Are they official? Because… It’s very curious. While some are very interesting (Doppelsöldner!), others just seem “wrong”.

For example, the suffix “mancy” means “divination”. That is, we can say that Necromancy is divination through the dead (and Pyromancy, divination by fire. Cryomancy, divination by ice and so on…). But, that doesn’t match in ToS at all!

Pyromancers and Cryomancers can’t use such skill, and how exactly Chronomancer is a legible name for anything? :astonished:

Since the suffix “kinesis” means “motion”, Pyrokinetic would be far more “fitting” judging the Pyromancer skills, for instance.

The very same would be for Chronomancer, since the ability to manipulate time is called “chronokinesis”, not “chronomancy”… Chronomancy, it doesn’t exist. :weary:

So, opinions?

#2

If you’re talking technicalities kinesis would also be wrong as kinesis is as you said, motion, these classes are not only moving these “elements” but creating them out of thin air as well.

Clearly we should just call them benders, firebenders, waterbenders, timebenders, deathbenders. 8/8 agree.

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#3

How so…? (And timebenders…?!)

Not sure if trolling or…

Well, maybe I should have been clearer. “Motion” in this context means to manipulate. (You know, no one move the time.)

#4

open this site
http://info.tos.nexon.com/community/job/list.aspx?page=list

click on any class it has korean name and english name

pyromancer:
one who practices pyromancy

yes we know no one can move/ stop a time but this is a game everything is possible :smile:

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#5

No it doesn’t, you can’t just make up contexts for words, if you could we would just say “pyromancy, “diviniation” in this context means to see your victory in the future by using these things to crush your enemies”, you’re arguing a word being used incorrectly and your solution is using a word incorrectly since “motion” just means to move. Necrokinetics would just move bones around, pyrokinetics would just move fires around and would require a source of fire since they cannot produce any and cyromancers will have to bring their own ice.

And yes the bending was a joke, good job jumping straight to troll accusations though.

#6

Well, sorry about the “troll” part, but that sounded rude as hell… :expressionless:

Also, I’m not arguing, just pointing something. And following your logic, Pyrokinetcs and Cryokinetics still sounds “less wrong”. So… Well, thanks for contributing.

#7

Less wrong is still wrong, we cannot give up and compromise with just a -kinetic suffix! we must find the solution! Never give up!

#8

Personal opinion, I happen to like perfect grammatical and linguistic consistency and abhor imperfect, misleading words and grammar; finding that they are only forgivable due to disability, deliberate cultural context (e.g. slang, doge meme, etc.), or language barrier, as otherwise it is no excuse.

While @drake_tempestos is correct in that the context and origin of the words, they being Greek, @Torrel is also correct in the meaning of “-kinesis”, hence the state of the movement of kinetic energy. It brings to mind then what in Greek could mean to create out of nothing? What is the cultural impact to the gamer who likes the skill names to “sound cool”? Was the transliteration of this interpretation from the Korean Text intentional and supposed to take its current form? Take these questions with some forethought and a grain of salt.

Thank you and have a nice day.

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#9

Yeah. It’s really very strange.

Other classes were named with so much whim, that reading about them is almost like having a history lesson.

Still, Chronomancy… Urrrr… :confused:

Thanks for your opinion, @Liner_15!

#10

Did you seriously made this kind of post?
Alright, does “Pyrokinetic” make sense and fit the class? No. Why? Pyrokinetics means to move fire. So your telling me to bring my own fire to fight? Same goes for the Cyromancer, oh I’m sorry, the “Cryokinetic” class. I have to bring my own ice to fight mobs. Hilarious

#11

Again, not sure if trolling or…

You guys are ignoring the fact that the source of energy is irrelevant. Where the fire or ice (or time?) comes, it doesn’t matter. What matters is that these elements aren’t being used for divination (-mancy), but being manipulated (-kinesis).

Pyro from X-Men is able to manipulate fire, without necessarily creating it “out of nowhere”. (And yes, he brings his own fire when necessary.)

That simple.

#12

“mancy”
combining formsuffix: -mancy
divination by a specified means.“geomancy”
So basically it means magically creates from either pyro(fire) or Cryo(Ice) which works with how the classes are made.
So either you personally don’t like the names which is an opinion and can be ignored, or you are ignoring what the word really means.
And Chronomancer is already used in countless other games so clearly it is a legible name for time control.

#13

@zydanic

Errr… So if something appears in countless games this is automatically right…? :expressionless:

What do you say about Dragoons? These guys are usually dragon slayers in games, but history says they were only mounted infantry carrying firearms.

Anyway, let this thread die… :weary:

#14

It not automatically the right definition for it, but its a good ground work for the names.
And you do release you can’t really compare game dragoons to RL ones because its fiction verse reality right?
also the fact there are no dragons in real life for said dragoons too kill…

#15

Since this thread isn’t dead yet… why can’t we just say that mancy = divining your enemies’ death with the prefix in front of the class name? I mean we’re killing a ■■■■ ton of mobs with said prefix element…

#16

Not sure if trolling or not… But alright, let’s do it.

You are taking this suffix too literally.
You say that because it’s been used everywhere, it doesn’t mean that this is right ? Well, I do agree with this, literally speaking, what you say make sense.

But commonly speaking, I find Pyromancer > Pyrokinetic. I bet my 2 cent everyone here is thinking the same way, and I’m sorry for this OP… Because this is the first term that come in mind for a Fire Magician (it may differ of course…).

Plus, -mancer is more than that, rather than just divination using Fire for Pyromancer and so on for each type, it means that you mastered the associated art at a point you can even “read” it (I’m surprising myself for writing this, but I don’t really care lel).

In this case, a Cryomancer doesn’t mean “Reading the futur using Ice”, a ToS “Cryomancer” ain’t doing this AT ALL xD.
It means that a Cryomancer is a master in the art of CREATING ice and frost.

“Creating” is important too.
A Pyrokinetics would mean that you need to bring your own torch to fight. Not cool bro ! I want my gigantic fire pillar to burn down to ashes my ennemies ! And it lead us to my last point : the DIVINE part.

-kinesist means that you manipulate the associated matter, not creating it, and the fact of creating something from nowhere is the most important part. It’s the real “heavenly” part of the term -mancer imo.

That’s not convincing at all I know, but there is too much sense to lose and not much to win using “-kinetic”. Yes it’s not right. But your solution isn’t worth either.

PS : It’s by inventing terms that a you make progresses in a language. Perhaps, maybe it’s time to move on and change the definition. As far as I know, nobody use this -mancer in a way implying Divination.

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#17

In a sense I see no issue with the class names due to the fact not everyone knows, nor does everyone care, what each part of the word means. So long as it is something that works and gets the point of the class across.

Necromancer for instance for years across various RPG worlds from Dungeons and Dragons and beyond has always been someone who raises the dead as their minions and uses them for their own ends. Not using the bones of the dead for divination.

Most of the time a person who uses magic gets called a Mage, so we settle for simple thing like Fire Mage, Ice Mage, Time Mage, Earth Mage, etc. Simply because they work.

To Gaming Culture Pyromancer can be seen as a fancy way of saying Fire Mage. Same with Cryomancer with Ice Mage, Chronomancer with Time Mage, Geomancer as a fancy way of saying Earth Mage, etc.

So long as it works with Gaming Culture, no real need to split hairs.

Hell just look at Priest and Krivis. Krivis literally means High Priest, as that is what the position was. So the choice is actually Cleric, Priest, High Priest!

Kinda would of preferred that a class if it was taken to its maximum circle gets the class name changed to something to denote the mastery of the class.

Priest becomes High Priest, Cleric becomes High Cleric, etc.

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#18

Fire Conjurers would be more appropriate.

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#19

@zydanic

No, it’s not. Dragoons were called this way mainly cuz the firearms. That is, it would make more sense if Dragoons were some kind of Archer evolution, using firearms (perhaps “magic” cannons decorated as if they were dragon mouths? DEVS, DON’T STEAL MY IDEA :scream: ) in games.

And there are no fire/ice/time manipulators in real life too. Still, St. George and other figures will always be known for such a feat.

@AkaiKiseki

You’re right. I take things literally since I can remember, OCD is also part of the problem, but whatever…

Taking into account what you and @TankHunter678 said, I believe this could be a snowball that started rolling years ago.

You see, divination through the dead sounds like a useless skill for (most) writers, and it’s possible that the first Necromancers to appear in fiction were really able to perform divinations, but also received other skills that ultimately overshadowed “the main thing”. And years later, here it’s the result… :confused:

Also, I explained that the energy source is irrelevant, as long as they are being manipulated, considering that there are many examples of fictional characters able to manipulate elements without “creating” them from nowhere.

But this isn’t a problem, really. I just wanted to know they were official and see some opinions (and I got good ones).

LOL, I just realized that many players are talking about the names of other classes in other posts like Squire, Bokor and Quarrel Shooter. At least, Cryomancer sounds cooler (no pun intended)… But I think I will just be calling it “Cryo” from now on.

#20

I vote for FIRE-WITCH, ICE-WITCH and TIME-WITCH :stuck_out_tongue: