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End of partnership between Level Up Games and IMC (pt-br)

The things I end up Googling…

grin·go
ˈɡriNGɡō/
nouninformal
(in Spanish-speaking countries and contexts, chiefly in the Americas) a person, especially an American, who is not Hispanic or Latino.

Definition.

Now from what I read, it originated in Spain in the 1800’s to describe people who spoke Spanish poorly, mostly Irish immigrants.

Then there is this:

One theory has it that there was no mention of the word “gringo”, in any publication in New Spain, or what would later be Mexico, until 1847, following the US occupation of northern Mexico during the Mexican–American War.[citation needed] Marching songs reportedly sung by US soldiers, such as “(Green Grows the Grass in) My Old Kentucky Home” and “Green Grow the Lilacs”, became popular in Mexico.[26] This theory also has it that native Spanish speakers have difficulty pronouncing a second “r” in “green grows”, which was elided as “green-gos”. Shortly afterwards Mexico City newspapers like El Universal and Excelsior began to use the word “gringos” for Americans.[citation needed] The English-born Frances Calderon, who published an account of her husband’s terms as the first ambassador to Mexico from Spain (from 1842) never mentioned the word, even though she was fluent in Spanish, and familiar with Mexican vernacular.[citation needed] The word was never used in reference to the English-speakers who had settled in Texas when it was part of Mexico, although the settlers were known by names such as filibusteros, presbeterianos, vikeños, judios, hereticos, protestantes, and barbarianos.[citation needed]

Then specifically regarding Brazil, which has even less of an attachment of race:

In Brazil, the word gringo means simply foreigner, and has no connection to any physical characteristics or specific countries. Unlike most Hispanic American countries, in which gringo is never used to refer to other Latin Americans, in Brazil there is no such distinction in the use of the term. Most foreign footballers in the Brazilian Championship that came from other Latin American countries and are nevertheless referred as “gringos” by the sport media [30][31] and by sport fans.[32] Tourists are called gringos, and there is no differentiation in the use of the term for Latin Americans or people from other regions, like Europe. [33]

As the word has no connection to physical appearance in Brazil, black African foreigners are also called gringos,[34] unlike some other countries in which the term implies fair skin. Popularly-used terms for fair-skinned and blond people are generally based in specific nationalities, like “alemão” (i.e., German), “russo” (Russian) or, in some regions, “galego” (Galician)[35] which are used for both Brazilians[36][37] and foreigners [38] with such characteristics, regardless of their real ethnic origins.

Again though, if you want something to be a bad thing, you can think it is. There is a lot of information out there about it, and the only place I see anything referencing it as a bad thing is the Urban Dictionary, where you could probably find cow defined as a cat.

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Again, my point still stands. You just proved it, but thank you anyway. <3

Double standards

Since people are in the Google/Wikipedia spirit these days, here:

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/dravling/grice.html

https://www.universalclass.com/articles/business/communication-studies/politeness-theory.htm

http://www.ello.uos.de/field.php/Pragmatics/PragmaticsPolitenessTheory

http://www.cog.brown.edu/courses/cg45/lecture%20slides/Gricean%20Maxims.pdf

http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/fass/projects/stylistics/topic12/14cp1.htm

How? If it has any attachment to race, it’s merely in origin.

From personal experience, I am around a lot of Hispanic people daily since I’m married to one. I’ve not heard the term used in a derogatory manner, only in reference.

This is one of those cases though where I could put any information in front of you, and you’d still say the sky is purple because that’s how you perceive it.

Edit: And the things you’re editing in are about perception. So alright, your perception is the sky is purple, no technical definition or information on its use will make a difference to you. Remember, facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

Frankly, I would totally talk about this if we ever hang out as colleagues and go to a decent coffee shop and discuss about such wonderful topics, but I think we have already shown our viewpoints. Moving on~

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Agreed.

/20charssignedagreement

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No one can be so stupid, so…

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Regarding IMC and your server [SA]

1 - The company does not care if the people who are in it are going through difficulties
2 - It also does not seem to mind in trying to solve the problem, is not her interest.
3 - By the time it was announced that the [SA] server would be relocated to the US, the game for those who play on that server over.
It would be simpler to transfer them to open the Orsha and Klaipedia and leave as it was before, since we have no ping differentiation and play with the same ping as the game had closed access.

Now about personal opinions that put the page on the topic.

4 - The company did not have to make this distinction about having a server’s own Steam and LUG company has a server. Since the LUG server is unique to the Brazilians and the server on Steam is for all of South America. Just think groundless this issue that it should not have an official server on Steam has entered into partnership with LUG.

5 - At least it would result in a region of restriction on Steam and would stay that not Elsword, where Brazilians have no access to the Steam server and contains the most updated content of the game, having to resort to play in the LUG server, which is out of date.

6 - Overall I agree with the criticism made the company. He has behaved as an amateur company and has no responsibility nor interest in keeping their game with a good reputation. And no, the problem is not Brazil, other companies have their localized games in South America and has no such problems all

Personal opinion

IMC while not adjust the game, solve problems, not sell items for real money. Stop pushing updates with clothes and etc and work to resolve your game. It is very bad character in sell-games for real money while your game is falling apart.

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Stupid or brilliant? I think she just played you all. :stuck_out_tongue:

Then again, I’m so glad! This thread is pure garbage and it needs to be locked.

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Skol is just a HS dropout, what can you expect?
Even so, you are right. The thread is pointless and it should be locked/deleted.

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Do you ever look elsewhere but General Discussion?

Umm… How about focusing on the main issue? I mean, seriously, you guys can even say this whole situation is funny but in fact it is quite dire since a publisher just decided to NOT bring the game because they think the DEVs can’t handle their own project.

Well, i can kinda understand the reasons behind the decision. It just makes me a little worried about this game in the future. Anyways, still hoping that ToS get a major FPS improvement so I can enjoy playing without getting weirds shutterings while swaping weapons or even using Divine Mighty XD

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Yup i quit that one after my first reply…

O que eu não entendo é BR falando mal de BR aqui…Meu tens uns falando mal de BR em inglês, caras vocês são do Brasil tbm, SÃO BR TÁ!!!
Entra vai em server gringo falando português eles falam merda pra vc…Adorei a colocação gringos usem Google Translator…kkkk parabéns.
Sou mais Brasil, a comunidade Brasileira é a mais divertida, foda-se que a LUG é uma merda, eles são Filipinos, lá tudo é uma merda.
IMC quebrou o contrato por duas coisas…A> Brasil é uma mina de dinheiro em relação a jogos online. B> Servidores da LUG são ruins e ponto final, sempre foram…Sobre oque o @victorlb13 disse da IMC não responder.
Cara isso só mostra o quanto a empresa é mal caráter, eles adoraram a divulgação que o site fez, assim que viram o sucesso sumiram.
O foda é que nesse pé, muita gente vaza do jogo…Mas eles tão nem ai pq ao mesmo tempo muita gente entra no jogo.

Gente é simples, a LUG é podre, a IMC é mau caráter e o Brasil, bom o BRASIL É FODA PRA CARALHO E O BRASILEIRO É A O MAIS ENGRAÇADO DA NET PORRA.

Larguem a mão de ser mulekes e vão upar.

Datte Bayo.

A LUG quebrou com a IMC e não ao contrário. E não, as brigas sobre homossexualidade, política e outras merdas TODO dia não são engraçadas, são um saco e atrapalham o comércio e a procura por grupos. Por favor, não tente tapar o sol com peneira.

Tapar o sol com a peneira? Do que diabos você está falando?
Brigas sobre politica? Queria falar de que? De futebol?
Amiguinho vê se concorda comigo…Falar sobre temas como homossexualidade e politica faz é bem…Desde que existam pessoas que saibam conversar…Tem muita gente ranhenta sim no jogo, mas tem gente bacana que sabe conversar e expor as ideias de forma legal…Sendo assim TEM DE FALAR DE POLITICA MESMO PORRA…O pais precisa de jovens falando de politica.

Comercio e procura por grupos, cara arruma uma guild assim você consegue fazer grupo mais fácil, viu resolvido…

E sim a comunidade Brasileira é ótima…Bem melhor que qualquer outra…Tem hacker, tem botter e a porra toda…TEM e isso é uma droga…

Mas tem uma caralhada de maluko sangue bom e toneladas de gatissimas brasileiras que jogam muito…ENTÃO FODA-SE OS OUTROS PAISES.

QUERO MAIS BRASIL E MENOS MIMIMIMI…

Para de falar merda amigão. Ninguém quer ficar lendo coisas homofóbicas e misógenas no shout, tem gente que gosta de jogar sério. E ficar escrevendo “Bolsomito” e “Bolsolixo” não é falar de política. Vai falar de política com quem quer falar de política. QUEM ESTÁ DESVIRTUANDO O USO DO SHOUT É VOCÊ. Procure grupo para conversar sobre política VOCÊ. SHOUT não é bate-papo.

A comunidade brasileira é um LIXO. E o fato de um ser um deles, não me obriga a achar bom nem defender.

Só não estou em outro servidor por causa da bosta da divisão de região.

Chega dessa porra de achar que ser porco e mal educado é engraçado.

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Eu não disse que os comentários homofóbicos eram engraçados, nem nego falando bolsomito…LOL.
E sim concordo que ficar falando coisas que não são de jogo em SHOUT atrapalha, mas quem disse que é disso que eu estou falando?

Comunidade é um todo não só o shout. Temos que parar com essa contra cultura ao Brasil e o brasileiro.
Tem uma galera bizonha eu seu disso, mas num geral o povo eh bem bacana…Mas bem isso já se prolongou e não vejo sentindo em ficar defendendo todo um grupo pra quem ta nem ai…

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HEHEHE as a spanish speaker i quite understand portuguese.
I really do not matter where the server will be placed,BR AR CL, it would be awesome if server goes back somewere in SA, just because i would like to have low ping and reach out some spanish speakers, portuguese.
I think we all have played with people all arround the world, and we know there is always unjustified discrimination or whatever.

I dont know, i would like to have an official repply if server would ever be realocated somewere in SA, or else to know if disconnection issues will be solved in the near future. Or if i have to play in another server to play a more crowded server.

Come on imc show SA players some love…
At least notice us :smiley:

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