Edit: if—> archer-ranger-sapper-???-fletcher x2
I can’t help too much but here is my input:
crit attribute from swift step was changed and added to c1 archer afaik.
The two arguments for archer c2 usually were oblique shot and swift step critical, with both of them obtainable at c1 I’d say leave archer at c1 or go all the way to c3 (take this with a grain of salt as I’ve only played a couple hours of the iCBT - aside from this and gameplays on YT im basing my opinion on theorycraft as most of the ppl here)
i heard c1 archer crit atribute is only half the crit as c2? anyway im just wondering what would be most useful to take at rank 4 if—> archer-ranger-sapper-???-fletcher x2
The data for Archer in ToSBase Skill Simulator is a bit outdated.
These are the informations you need to take account of to decide whether Archer C2 is worth a rank to spend on or not:
- Multi Shot Level 10 - Shoot 11 arrows in a designated area instead of 6 from Archer C1.
- Full Draw Level 7 - Based on this thread, you need Full Draw Level 7 in order to do a quick tap Full Draw. Credit @WatchGintama
- Kneeling Shot Level 5 - There is no known synergy with this skill (Means you can only auto attack when Kneeling Shot), so popular believe that this skill isn’t worth it.
- Heavy Shot - It knockbacks your enemy, which is good to keep your distance against them altough the knockback distance is miniscule compared to fully attributed Full Draw
- Swift Step Level 9 - Yes, the crit attribute has been lowered to only 25% when maxed, and yes, it has been moved to Archer C1. However, at level 9, Swift Step buff will end one second after its cooldown ended, which means you can maintain both the Swift Step and the Crit Bonus from its attribute forever.
There are also one other information, but I’m not sure if it’s available to Archer C2 or Archer C3 instead:
- Multi Shot Quick Charge attribute - It will speed up your Multi Shot Charging Speed by a ton. You won’t spend so much time charging Multi Shot if you get this attribute
is swift step crit nerf only for C1 attribute? i read that it gives the full 50 if u buy the C2 attribute? If you buy the C1, does it auto upgrade if u get C2 archer?
anyway still wondering whats most useful at rank 4, might as well change title
[quote=“Ltb_Regen, post:4, topic:47503”]
and yes, it has been moved to Archer C1.
[/quote]Maybe they changed it before, but at least after 09/26 wipe on KR test server the attribute became C2 again, and I know that because I leveled an Archer by then.
And they kept the nerf. It only gives 25% bonus crit chance at level 5 now.
[quote=“Ltb_Regen, post:4, topic:47503”]
The data for Archer in ToSBase Skill Simulator is a bit outdated.
[/quote]Most data is correct.
Flash has been updating it every day with data extracted from KR files.
As for the OP, @montiblanc, what will be your full build? It is hard to advice only knowing your intention for Rank 4.
edited the first post for you, might as well paste it here too
if—> archer-ranger-sapper-???-fletcher x2
so the crit nerf for C1 also became nerf for C2? wow
Why not both? Don’t see anything bad in a combo breaker here.
just wanna figure out a short path without bloating the ranks
Personally I don’t like Sapper C1 alone, so I would take its C2 instead of Archer’s if you really wanna go that route.
I think with your choices you won’t suffer from lack of damage just because of Swift Step’s attribute.
but since swift step attribute is nerfed by half & adds 25 seconds extra cooldown, would it be better to replace it with Oblique Shot? sorry for late reply, i just thought of this x_X
If you’re gonna go Sapper then at least go Sapper C2 to get Broom trap. Archers have little to none AoEs in their arsenal so BTrap’s huge AoE is a very, very welcome addition to your skills.
Keep in mind that swift step is +50% from your current crit. So if you have 1% crit chance, it will make it into… well 1.5%.
I guess what I mean is, if you’re not planning a dex build or not primarily a dex build, the benefit of it can be somewhat lessened.
Also, please don’t go ranger c1 and then sapper c1. You get no benefit from doing that other then skills you won’t even use, because they won’t be strong enough. You say you don’t want to bloat the ranks - at the same time if you wear yourself too thin you will be an adept of all, a master of none.
There’s many sapper videos out there and many ranger videos and others, just look for something that seems best prior to the class you want to be that actually buffs it too in the end. Anyhow, off to work, good luck!
They changed this to 25% at max level based on patch notes.
And crit chance =/= crit rate. I think Swift Step calculates with crit rate. Crit chance is (crit rate + buffs + attributes) - crit resist. Just wanted to clarify. Everything else you said is pretty on point.
well lajkon, a rank in ranger is just for some early game aoe, its more about using those skills mechanics rather than their attack power, since your base attack is added on to skills anyway ~,~
still wondering since swiift step nerfed to half (& over 1 min cd with attribute), if its more useful to replace with oblique shot?
or maybe downlevel full draw to 4 & just have lv1 ob shot, that might work too according to that full draw thread, i dunno xD
For PVP I would recommend Archer 3 > Scout > Fletcher 2
I will have a build up soon. But to explain it a bit:
Archer C3 gives you LV15 multi shot and swift step. And then lv 7 full draw.
Scout is needed for cloak. And yes, it does make you completely invisible in pvp (besides the target circle.). You choose a different class after archer 3 so I went with scout.
Fletcher 2 because it has good attack skills. I havent actually gotten this far though.
[quote=“montiblanc, post:15, topic:47503”]
still wondering since swiift step nerfed to half (& over 1 min cd with attribute), if its more useful to replace with oblique shot?
[/quote]Swift has 36s CD normally, and 42 or so with attribute. Level 9 Swift is enough for 100% uptime iirc.
[quote=“WatchGintama, post:16, topic:47503”]
For PVP I would recommend Archer 3 > Scout > Fletcher 2
[/quote]You prob played more PvP than me on KR, so what do you think about Rogue?
Since players can change direction while skewed, Fulldraw is not that good for him. Cloak obviously is overall good for PvP, but it also does not guarantee a back attack and other Scout skills seems mehhh for PvP… (but I may get him at Rank 7 since I don’t think I will like Canooner and Musketeer, if not Rogue 3).
Looking at all Archer classes, the ones that could help Rogue the most on PvP for back attacks were Quarrel Shooter with Stone Shot and Hunter with Retrieve. QS is a luck based stun and Retrieve, while I think is really good, it needs 2 cricles of Hunter.
Or should I just rely on my allies to CC people? 
I thought scout cloak makes you appear as a clearly visible red shadow to enemy in pvp, did they change that? The 50% bonus applies to base attack, which gets added to you next hit/skill, it doesn’t multiply skill atk right?
& i thought swift step attribute is 5s cd & 5% crit per lv, did that get changed? if not, its over 1 min cd right?
& multi shot miss a lot of its shots unless you medium to close range & target is standing fully still? unless its a large boss i guess.
[quote=“montiblanc, post:18, topic:47503”]
The 50% bonus applies to base attack, which gets added to you next hit/skill, it doesn’t multiply skill atk right?
[/quote]That’s right, the bonus damage is pretty low with this kind of attribute.
[quote=“montiblanc, post:18, topic:47503”]
i thought swift step attribute is 5s cd & 5% crit per lv
[/quote]Any +SP or +CD penalty an attribute gives is applied only once, while the attribute is “on”. Doesn’t matter what level you have it.
Swift’s attribute gives +5 SP and +5s CD be either at level 1 or 5, as long as it is “on”.
[quote=“montiblanc, post:18, topic:47503”]
multi shot miss a lot of its shots unless you medium to close range & target is standing fully still?
[/quote]Yes, sometimes the enemy will walk away of your Multi Shot zone and you will miss some hits. But there are some skills on Archer tree (I am talking about different classes, not only base Archer) that makes them immobilized or stuned long enough for full hits, if needed.