Hi guys,
I’m building a sw3 > cata3 > corsair? > lancer and have a doubt on Jolly Roger. Is it usable on mount?
I’m going PVE but don’t want to go dragoon (I know it’s better, but let me stick on lancer 
). In case JR is out, do you have any suggestion for R7?
Thanks!
Jolly Roger dismounts you when casted and at the moment.
sw2hop2cata3lancer is a better PVE version of Lancer.
People prefer corsair on R7 most for Iron hook pvp usage. (Which is very questionable, since Lancer offers good disable aswell.) I chose hoplite on r7 just for finestra buff. Also, there is Sw2 Hop2 Cata 3 Lancer,
The only disable Lancer offers is the RNG knockdown from AA passive which is unreliably bad. Iron Hook supplements knockdowns from cataphract skills and swordsman’s bash pretty well.
Joust is a disable for wizards and clerics, unhorsing is kind of a disable.
you can knockdown lock with bash and cata skills if you time it right. I find Iron Hook amazing, don’t me wrong, but I think cata 3 sw3 has a lot of cc already with knowckdown and stuns.
Since you made an arguement with hook, joust silences magic types but it doesn’t fall into disable category like hook which is “literally” disable, knockdowns are nearer with it. Thus, the niche and purpose of Hook and Joust as disabling skill is far different.
While, unhoursing plainly suck right now, most good cataphracts knows how to counter it already, It’s only good to cancel trot.
Yeah, you can pretty much chain knockdown someone with it, BUT landing 4 overcharged casts(2crush + 2quaint) while knockdown chaining is a different story, making hook a very good supplement for it.
PS: have 3 sw3cata3 toons
ok
My point is, If you plan pvp(even in its current state), you can go corsair, but it’s not a must and you can do just fine without it.
“You can do fine without it” is a pretty poor excuse to not take a game-changing ability.
The willful ignorance of just how strong Iron Hook is for PVP by the swordsman community is a bit baffling.
I don’t care what build you are. If you can fit corsair1 in your build, you will do much much better than any other swordie who doesn’t, mount or not.
Landing a hook has a number of benefits:
1.) it goes through all status immunities currently in the game.
2.) with chain attribute you can CC up to 3 players at the same time.
3.) with chain you can reveal the location of any cloaked unit, simply by hooking their pet. This works wonders vs hunters and is a hard counter.
The only build that can’t fit it imo is sw3cata3goon2, and their playstyle is centric around tagging people with dethrone, and picking the correct time to rush. If dethrone and rush are down, they are pretty much useless.
The question here is not the hook itself, but the usage of it on a catalancer build. I do matches with my lancer and I don’t find it as demanding as when I play with my corsair/shinobi, for example.
Well…what is a rank that you would willingly choose to get as a cata-lancer instead of corsair1 for pvp?
Why would that choice be better than having Iron Hook?
then we go back to my earlier comment.
The performance of a catalancer with or without Hook will differ little, while a Murmillo, for example, will differ heavy. It’s a great skill, no doubt, but if the person wants to go for another class for x reason, he can still do great in pvp.
This is where we disagree. The difference is like night and day.
I want you to show me a rank you would choose instead of corsair, and weigh the plus and minus.
I think you will find there is no better rank to choose, and that is why you are dodging my question.
I don’t see your point. I already said that if the goal is to excel on pvp than go for corsair. Do you want me to masturbate your ego or something?
hm, okay. So shall we quarrel here or something? I don’t know.
If any swordsman wants to do any good in pvp and wants to be competitive, they will want at least 1 rank in corsair. I can’t believe people actually think they will do well without it. i have a cata/corsair/lancer and a catagoon. My lancer does way better then my catagoon in TBL by far just because of Hook.
Where did you say that?
I’m looking for this as well lol
i dunno depends on your playstyle.
My playstyle is dethrone based and combo based when dethrone is on cooldown so I don’t really need the hook.
I just move around and snipe people off with dethrone. I can also execute a long combo with any KD to start off with for example
earth wave -> doom spike -> dragon soar -> bash -> dragon thrust -> bash -> serpentine
I’m still of the opinion that a catagoon build doesn’t need corsair to do well - and the TBL rankings prove it. I dunno about your server but for the klaipeda/Orsha rankings, it’s packed with catagoons usually.
Yeah catagoon is the only exception imo, but most of the good ones are only good because they have high trans RHPs so they can just melt people in a single rush or 1-2 dethrones.
yea the rush strategy is only viable with high trans weapons. otherwise it deals pitiful damage.
The ausence of it doesn’t make the char unplayable pvp-wise, that’s my point. It can still do lots, get ranked and stuff. Differently from a class dependant on corsair c1 for pvp.
sorry, I didn’t say it indeed. I meant it there “If you plan pvp(even in its current state), you can go corsair”.