The problem is, I highly doubt you will ever stack all these 10 Stacks of DOV on that level.
And the loss of Defence also buffles me.
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I can only say that I got stacks pretty quick because I had no DEX, and was usually quickly up to 5. It wouldnât be too hard to get up to 10, especially with 15 extra seconds. Also I used Gung Ho with the max attribute, so I was giving myself -54 defense, and -50% after that. I usually ran around 100 defense.
This is definitely more party oriented, and not as great for soloing. With someone tanking and healing you wonât really have an issue staying alive with low defense. Iâm figuring anyone going dopp c2 is focused on DPS anyways, so this is what youâre doing.
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if u have it lvl 15, after u lose all your defense its only profit =)
@Autentist
can u tell me more about Zornhau and Zucken?
Does Zornhau stun?
Whats the bonus damage Zucken does on shocked enemy?
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Right, but you still need DEX, anyway, even if you are doing a heavy STR build. It really helps on higher levels.
That is a big problem for me. I dont like glass cannons which rely only on some skills to attack. You can live perfectly fine with only 5 DOV and with Pelta1 doing Guardian with 1 point. Your DPS may no be so high as with constant ATT buffs, but it still would be amazing. And you increase your survivability factor.
For party orientation you obviously can put more emphasis on DPS, but I prefer to think ahead, since I value my own life still. And with recent changes, I donât think Iâll be continuing running dungeons with friends, which means random people. Who are these people and what they can do - I donât know. So yeah.
I also grind materials and farm solo, so hereâs that. I just think that by the time you get Doppel C2 on full potential your DPS with right build is still excellent, so overtuning it to the point you start harming yourself in the process is useless.
Hahaha, yeah, I already gave my thoughts about that.
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Zornhau applies Shock, while Zucken works in conjunction with it, applying additional damage on shocked enemies.
How much damage is unknown at this point. I think itâs at least double amount. Considering Zucken is multihit, that would be amazing.
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Hmm, well I wouldnât go doppel c2 unless I was focusing on pure DPS. If I wasnât going to take deeds 10 Iâd just go doppel c1 and take another class that more synergized with my ( this build is what now, offtank? ) build.
@Lenny I donât think @Autentist has actually payed a doppel c2. When I tested Zucken with [Shock] on it did about 50% more damage. Thatâs final damage, so I donât know what the actual bonus modifier was. Also I never really got stunned by Zornhau, though the skill description says it stuns.
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I see no reason neglecting skills like Cyclone 10 and Zornhau, etc. only because you donât take Deeds 10. Like I said, I highly doubt they will ever stack fully, plus that Defence loss.
50% is still excellent amount, nothing is wrong with that. Also Zornhau only applies Shock, as it says. Description may be a bit misleading, but I always look only on what actually skill does. And since there is no Stun chance or stuff like that, I assume, it only shocks as it should.
So, with Zucken + Zornhau you still dish a crapload of damage. But since you are not a glass cannon, you can actually sustain damage and defend yourself. Against a skill which may or may not gain full stacks and breaks your def I consider this to be a better alternative.
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In practice you could gain 10 stacks without too much trouble. Playing the game as a doppel c2 will probably help against this assumption that itâs too hard.
Also unfortunately the way enemy mobs apply damage, your DEF isnât worth that much. Itâs all flat damage without multipliers, so youâre just reducing damage by flat amounts by having more DEF. Itâs still good to have DEF, but youâre not losing an incredible amount by taking away a large amount of your DEF.
In my example, where I have 2500 physical attack and ~100 def, Iâm only using deeds lvl 5. Would I give up that 100 defense to gain ~800 attack power and have 3300 physical attack? Any day. Most people do too, itâs why you donât see people running around with 100 def shields on when they can be using an arde/karacha dagger for +153 elemental damage instead.
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But doesnât mean that -100% strips you off all your defence? Which means, mobs will hit you for pure damage. And you have to be hit for it to gain stacks. Everytime they will hit you for more and more. Very risky strategy.
Any day will people go to ET or 3 Star Maps unprepared? With this setup Doppel would be obliterated in seconds. Iâm not even talking about high level mobs in general, which hit you for 2-3k a hit easily. Would I give my defence for a CHANCE to survive a flurry of attacks from such mobs? No, I wouldnât. Or I have to be always in a party with a healer, who will babysit me all the time.
Nah, totally not worth it.
Is restrain skill useless skill? How come no one wants Swordsman C2 C3?
I need your help i donât know which is the best class iâm between dragoon or shinobi cuz i will choiice dragoon or shinobi xD ty for your help
actually last night i changed my build completely, now iâm going for
swordsman c3 instead of highlander c3 for pvp
Is a sword - pelta - hoplite 3 - doppel 2 viable? How does it work out?
Dop2 skill require you to use 2h sword, so you cant use your lv 15 finestra
So? Nothingâs stopping him from using lv 10 Cyclone / Deeds / DPE / Mordschlag / Punish with a 1H spear
Get Dragoon instead of Doppel C2. Much better.
This I have to agree to though, if youâre going to be using spears. Literally no reason to take Doppel c2 over Dragoon.
How would you build it then with c1 doppel and c1 dragoon?
Also, are there any skills that are unusable while mounted that I need to look out for?
You go like this:
Sword - Pelta - Hoplite3 - Doppel - Dragoon.
There was a list of skills usable mounted. Definitely all Dragoon and Hoplite skills are usable, as far as I remember.
Oh, here you go - https://www.reddit.com/r/treeofsavior/comments/3m7kf7/mounting_and_skill_compatibility/
No cyclone for horsies?