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Doppel without DoV?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

So like topic says. Does it make any sense? :smiley: i was thinking about making pure farming doppel without dov. Instead of dov id get double pay 15lvl. cyclone 15lvl. zornhau1, zucken and redel 6lvl for attributes and strutczhau and zwerchau 1lvl. would that work? or does zwer/strut need to be higher than 1lvl? hidden mechanics on them?

Main idea would be burst dmg + aoe + double pay majority of time. I would even get gem for it if there is one. As Double pay works for party too. It would help party to farm/grind also. possibly divine might on top of that so it would be 17lvl double pay…

So what are your opinions? does Doppel without DoV work? or does it Gimp doppel heavily?

#2

I had three doppels

Pelt>Barb3>Doppel2 (idea is to swash>warcry>cyclone/pouncing)
^ no DOV, deleted after a while due to disappointment.

HL>Barb3>Doppel (to test out the difference)
^ has DOV, significantly stronger even though it’s only Doppel C1, stopped using it cause it was high str and imc didn’t give enough stat resets

HL3>Barb1>Doppel3 (current main doppel)
^ poor hitboxes mostly, but very strong.

DOV really makes a lot of difference, it is VERY STRONG when paired with diev/chrono/druid

The option to not use DOV while having DOV is there, just remember that

#3

i also like to play around the idea of doppel abit. Another question. What about build that does only take DoV15, double pay 15, Cyclone15? and uses spear+shield or such.

Also does cyclone fall off later on? if so. c2 and c3 skills way better?

#4

you are using that to farm, right? cyclone has very long cooldown so you would want to use other skills too.

Punish on doppel c3 is very strong. C3 is basically a doppel requirement because it upgrades your trash C1-C2 doppel skills into good tier

#5

well playing around a bit.

something totally out of meta and weird :smiley: wondering if such works. you get finestra + c3 passive for medium target dmg bonus. pelt for swash+hp ofcourse. spearthrow for aoe spam and stabbing + pierce are nice.

doppel would use punish and mord + DoV+ double pay + cyclone.

or c2/c3 skills are way too OP to skip?

#6

don’t take mordschlag, put it on cyclone instead. Bash is enough for punish

you could live with that build, but not having your core slashes can be underwhelming sometimes

and take at least 1 zwerchhau, because you already don’t have barb c1 for cleave multiplier. it requires 2h sword though

If you are set with the idea of hoplites and maxed DPE, that’s up to you but IMO it’s a bit of a waste because those 15 hits still run out fast with cyclone. maybe doable with cyclone on high hp mobs > DPE > Bash > Punish

#7

oh well i guess it wont work so well then :smiley: changed hop to c2 for barb slash bonus.also that cleave gives +50crit so it kinda replaces finestra tho…

#8

that’s fine already, but it ruins your initial plans and you will have a hard time dealing with monsters when your cyclone is down.

no spear throw and spear mastery hurts too, but in exchange for cleave.

IMO your previous build should be better, just switch to 2H sword for zwerchhau.

#9

playing around a bit more.

this time with cata. Guess this would work better? As doppel is only c1 as filler for DoV+Double pay. only mountable attack would be Mord. unless using cyclone by unmounting.

Only thing is that by going dop r7 you lose hoplitec2 for pierce bonus or dragoon for extra skill rotation.

maybe i will just have to ditch Double pay idea :smiley:

#10

Hmm well why not use the standard build instead?

the famous sw>pel>hop3>doppel>dragoon 2

this build excels at farming too

#12

i could take doppel on r8 for my hop2 cors3 but then again… it would gimp damage severely since could just pick shinobi or murmillo etc to boost dmg greatly. so i dont think thats good idea…

Maybe ill go with famous build :smiley:

#13

yes, you can also get 5 dov 5 cyclone 5 DPE on that build, punish is crap on doppel c1

#14

hmm… i know pelt+rode + shinobi+murmillo is all hype but what about something such as

idk if you know anything about this but yeah it would have barb there for 2 extra strikes and cleave for slash bonus for montana + cyclone + murmillo got slash skills.

cyclone good at 5lvl or needs more to be effective? as i know shinobi bursts a lot.

#15

good for lower level monsters, your rodel+murmillo combo can handle higher level monsters.

you will probably be stuck with using five hammers here if you want to deal with multiple monsters

or make a lot of sacrifices to get aoe attack ratio and get a different weapon

#16

Yeah seen some ktos videos about shinobi murmillos and they mostly use five hammer. Only problem is that murmillo skills dont work with maces. Idk if its worth it to replace five hammer with something like

as it gives 4aoe. 3 sockets too but then again five hammer is 5 sockets so in theory you could put 5 really high lvl red/yellow gems and in theory boosting way more dmg.
if you think about it. in theory five hammer with 5 lvl10 gems would boost dmg more than 315 weapon +15 lvl weapon with 3 gems but trandescing changes everything :smiley:

#17

I have a murmillo, maces work, don’t worry about it.

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#18

oh good to know. guess they fixed it then :slight_smile: used to be only swords and then they added spears. seems like maces too :wink:

anyways if i dont pick doppel. could switch barb+dop to hop2 for pierce. as evade thrust is pierce… its just that hard to know what would work since dont know c2 or c3 skills of murmillo. does it get more pierce or slash skills or just strike ones.

anyways thanks :slight_smile: going for murmillo then i guess.

whats ur murmillo build? its better to go high dex i guess?

#19

Pelt3 > Rod3> Murm

20 str (ignore this, was before the gem update)
38 con (can be 0 if you want)
rest dex

#20

oh good. i got one pelt3 - rode3 ready. like havent played it for like 6+months tho :smiley: i think its like 100con rest str. need to reset stats. good thing i got some saved from past events. might as well reset it maybe.

full dex must? like if i got 2 sissels and crit on headgears and decent crit gears? giving like +100crit and if i take that barb i get +50crit from cleave too. effectively getting +150 boost.

if you go full dex. guess should be using yellow gems on five hammer then? or red ones better? as yellows give more flat dmg.

#21

Hmm yellow is nice assuming you don’t want to pass your five hammer around.

I went with red to make it usable on alts