Hope it help. Gung ho and Concentrate is personal pick.
Hmm, I honestly donât understand a few choices here and there:
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Why Cyclone at 5âŚ? Itâs better to have those points spent in Punish if you want more AoE damage (thanks to the attribute), Cyclone is simply not good anymore, just an AoE filler to be honest.
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Since weâre talking about picking Shinobi as Rank9 here, you may want to give more points to Crown since it can be cloneâd, and you can take those points from Crosscut: you only need it to apply the bleed effect in order to boost Skyliner/Vertical Slash, not for its damage.
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About Zucken, this is mostly a personal preference, but I think its damage quite lacking, even with the Shock effect on (which is quite worthless) after some testing I found sturzhau 5/5 a better choice than Zucken 6/10, it deals more damage given you have two overheats, but it could mess up your rotation at Rank9, since you will have shitload of abilities.
Cyclone vs punish might be another personal pick , but i found cyclone is better it work on boss and monster.
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Punish is good but it only have 1 overheat + you must knockdown something to cast it ( even with lvl 1 punish + earthquake attibute i can KO normal monster in 290 dung or even in Solmiki area. ) PS* sometime punish will deal no damage to knockdown monster , im not sure this is a bug to me alone only or other doppel having the same issue.
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if we talking on world boss then yes, max up crown is the better option. But if we talk on normal dung run or solmiki run then i would prefer to leave crown to stay at lvl 1 because it only have 1 overheat and long cd. in solmiki you need consistent dps and not burst.
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i never tried sturzhau at 5/5 before , i guess you might be right on this. But 6/10 zucken still work pretty fine for me together with crown debuff + 3 glass mole
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It has 1 overheat but you can cast it more often than cyclone, since it has less than half Cyclone CD.
The reason your Punish sometimes doesnât go off may be your positioning/latency, it happens when you think a monster is under you but itâs not (this often happens with Cryo3 Frost Pillar) the trick here is pressing Punish right after Bash, do not wait for the monsters to get knockbackâd, it will still hit (also, Punish procs off Crown too for some unkown reasons, so you can use it on non-knockable monsters).
I personally have it at 5/15, previously it was at 10/15 but it was wasted on current content, as soon as I started gearing up I removed 5 points from it and completed my Solmiki set with 5/15 Punish, no regrets! -
This may be true, but if youâre going to pick up Shinobi as Rank9, relying on Moulinet only as reliable clonable skill isnât enough (Kunais wonât even get buffed by Cleave/Zwerchau since theyâre missile/pierce) I really think investing into Crown is better than dealing a little more damage with Crosscut, pratically speaking you wonât even have that much time in your rotation to use it as before, once Shinobi gets in your rotation, youâll probably find yourself using clones and then Redel/Zhornau/random instead of spamming Crosscut.
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Remember Zhornau gives Shock effect too, so the combo is still there even for non-HL builds, my point is that even under Shock, Zucken damage is simply underwhelming, I donât know what went wrong because on paper the skillfactor% is not that bad, but in reality itâs very disappointing⌠I was surprised by Sturzhau once I started investing in it, I always had it at 1/5 and with low enhance attribute, but after Combat Update it really hits like a truck and I think itâs a better filler (not that you will need any, between HL/Shinobi abilities, your rotation will be pretty packed)
how much different between lvl 1 and lvl 5 sturzhau? 
iâm doing sw3>hl2>dop3>shinobi
because i can⌠and it has style points
Level 1: 183% x 6 x 2 = 2196%
Level 5: 271% x 6 x 2 = 3252%
Difference: 1056%
i means the actual dmg?
How to skill a Hl3 Doppel âŚ:
Zucken is useless.
3x Prisoncutter card crosscut>zwerchhau>Cleave>Skullswing(Depends on fps)>Zornhau>Verticalslash.
Vs will deal way more dmg and zonhau gives with shock another debuff.
Cyclone just scales very Bad and takes to long to kill its a filler thats all now.
Punish can pretty easy 1-hit everything in your Path.
Sturtzhau/Skyliner has great aoe too and kill faster.
Btw Doppel with corsair for pvp �
You hook the enemys and then � XD
You cant do anything and you are a easy target for other players even murm would be a better choice for pvp.
Moulinet hast 180%x5 on max lvl that are 800 % even with the crown debuff and x5 its still not much stronger then your doppel skills.
Shinobi is just a waste as hl3 get barb2 as barb 3 get hl2 for crosscut or sw 3.
Or stop playing doppel like i did untill we get masterranks or this wierd mexican wrestler class xd
lol i feel weak or hl3 is not for bursting?or i really need crit rate. i am pure str and sitting with 300 crit rate.
sw1 > hl3> barb1 > dopp 3. i think i should just taken sw2 instead of hl3 or just drop barb and get sw3 > hl2 > dop 3. lol i want another reset
you need +11 315 weapon with trascend 4-5 for hl3 , without good weapon barb3 damage is higher
well i have +16 trans 5 Purine Pevordimas Two handed sword (purple) three slot all red gem 6* and when i fight 10f boss i only need 4 skills then a pass to kill it now lol i cant even hahhahaha i really need longer pain barrier to deal dmg constantly lol
For those who say SM3 / barb 2/3 > HL 3 then you are playing it very wrong. ( for Rank 8 Era )
The proper combo should be always Cleave > Zwerchhau > skull swing > active sp potion > redel > zourhau > your 3rd strongest skill > etc .
PrisonCutter is good but I prefer glass mole due to my personal playstyle . Vertical slash will always cap at 555k dmg.
Mean i have destroyed 4 Galeslashers and my best was +12 with 0 potâŚ
Trans 5 and no Pb cards?
Btw did anybody test it if the mushrooms can trigger Pb from the cards?
i want to try to doppel builds: Sword c3 - highlander c3 - doppel c3 and sword c3- barb c3 - doppel c3 and those two builds my stats go for full str.
why not Sw1-high3-barb1-doppel3-shino1??
Shinobi is bad.
Better use older Circle to boost your strong skills.
You can use 1 Skill from the Hl3/Doppel 3 build with clones and this skill even if you calculate it x5 It maybe slightly stronger then Zornhau.
Thats not worth a whole circle.
Iâm making that build. Looks promising with moulinet and crown with clones.
Two unless you really opt to put no points in crown which would be pretty silly because moulinet gets a large boost from shock, and youâd like to have 100% uptime whenever moulinet is up, which may take multiple sources of it, which I believe you can easily run into during a long term fight because zornhaus shock is only 5s with a 15 second cooldown. (Looking at that 1 cartar stroke point, why take cartar in the first place?)
Three if you count bash, which you have 5 points in.
Four if you count kunai, which shinobi itself gives.