Don't you guys think the cash shop is a little ridiculous?

[Sixaxis]

5. Addition of those P2W scrolls is equivalent to developers saying that P2W will be a constant addition to the cash store. No matter how much people whine, they won’t remove those scrolls because: 1) there are idiots who buy them en-masse and generate thousands of dollars of income every day, 2) it would be unfair to remove them now - those who already bought them already have the stats advantage over those who can’t potentially obtain them anymore. I don’t care how small the stats difference is, it’s still a sign of P2W.

You were on the right track until you reached this one, but gotta stop you here.

Addition of those P2W scrolls is equivalent to developers saying that P2W will be a constant addition to the cash store.

It’s not the equivalent to it; those who think so are only making assumptions. A game can include an item that gives stats via their CS, and then never implement one again until a year or more down the line. Once the games income starts to decline towards unprofitable levels, THEN you can surely expect something ‘p2w’-ish to appear to keep income stable before it drops to the point where the game is better off scrapped and a new one is developed to take its place.

This game just started, so there’s no basis to assume the cash shop will constantly be given power-advantages just because one exists from the start, which was ported over from the Korean version and has been in their CS for 2 months now-- and still no implementation of another item similar to it.

1. there are idiots who buy them en-masse and generate thousands of dollars of income every day

So people who support the game with something they feel is worth their money, and sell them to other players for profit in-game to upgrade their character, are ‘idiots’? If you’re calling them idiots for supporting something that you think shouldn’t be in the CS in the first place, then shouldn’t you call the people buying them in-game from the Auction House idiots too since they’re giving the CS buyers the reason to purchase them?

2. it would be unfair to remove them now - those who already bought them already have the stats advantage over those who can’t potentially obtain them anymore.[/quote]
   It wouldn’t be unfair, and it’s never too late to remove something that is a negative impact to your service. These things already drop in-game from Boss cubes, and even though the chance is small, it would prevent people from using the logic of “Those scrolls aren’t available anymore and the people who bought them will always have an advantage over those who didn’t.”.

[quote]I don’t care how small the stats difference is, it’s still a sign of P2W.

A small sign. Not one worth seriously complaining or leaving the game over.

[Remiri]

It is pretty obvious this game was ready to be released in June, and due to customer backlash they ‘released’ early. I think there is a lot they can improve and IMC is directly involved, so you don’t need to go through Nexon.

I would recommend summoning the staff members to your thread. I too think the token price is too high. $10 would be fitting, or make a 60-90 day token that is effectively $10/month.

@Staff_Ethan I think there are a lot of viable concerns in this topic, even if the title is a tad inflammatory. The price of tokens needs to be adjusted to make it economical, ~$20 is a crazy price considering what is out there, and you will actually make more money by lowering the price since it will be accessible to more people.

I paid $50 for founders. I would NEVER pay $20/month for this token.

[Ayalon]

I didn’t derail anything… I shut it down. There were already 2 of them here asking for something unrelated. Giving them the answer here can prevent others to ask it too and the topic can continue.

Also you could have pm me too. Now this was a derail caused by you… haha It’s better if you don’t answer to this one.

On topic:
I would be happy if everything would be cheaper.

Altough I can accept that female hairstyles are more expensive than male. Female is more salable… so we can look at it as male ones are cheaper to make it more appealing. (…and they still will remain less salable so I think it is ok…)

About the p2w… I don’t know… I don’t like it…but I’m afraid it is somewhat needed…

[Remiri]

Yeah, I agree there is nothing wrong with fem hair being more pricey. That is econ 101, the demand for them is higher thus prices are higher.

In fact, I think it is genius.

[Kachi]

Problem: For starters the premium female hair is more expensive than the premium male hair. Not entirely sure why this is thing I’m assuming IMC figured out that female characters are more plentiful and decided to just raise the price to make more money.

Why is this a problem? That’s basic economics especially when there’s such a huge gap between the amount of male and female chars.

[Athem]

Agree. I would say the exact same thing about WoW and FFXIV subscription. Cut it to half or more, and I will buy it each month. That way…meh. Not that appealing.

More on the shop:
GOD DAMN! I was prepared to use all my tp on hairstyles and now… WHAT IS THIS?! Where are my cosmetics? MAN! I WANT THEM!

The feeling when you ACTUALLY want to spend money and you can’t cause there is nothing to spend on it. I mean, the hairstyles are still overpriced because they are character bound.

These prices should be only used for global purchases… But hell… 10-20 TP for 1 Hairstyle / character would be nice. I would buy all of them.

ADD MORE HAIRSTYLES PLZ?! @STAFF_John @STAFF_Ethan @Staff_Julie

[Remiri]

Give it time on the cosmetics, lol. It is a game that was released too early and it is 2 days into its life.

[Athem]

Nah, not rushing here, I just hope that there will be much more cosmetics.

However the token price is indeed a joke.

[raikun56]

Go to any salon, and look at the price of any female cut. Now go to a barber, and look at a male cut. That answers one of your questions

[Animation_Fellow]

For me it’s really the token price that hurts the most. 18 dollars is way too much, no MMORPG in the market has this ridiculous price. 10 dollars would be a good price imo.

[Eter_Nale]

cosmetics are one of few way for dev to gain money without making players crying of P2W cause, let’s not complain about it. If it’s too pricey just dont buy it, let their sales team work for better offer~

[Daikuza]

The female hair takes more effort to design, that’s why they cost a bit more and thats totally ok for me.

http://cdn1.images.videobash.com/photos/000/106/279/106279.jpg

[pkxfire]

People supporting the hairstyles because real life barber and salons.
RIP this game.

[andy_aao]

haha have to agree about the woman hair, even at the cosmetics saloon it’s more expensive to get a hair cut
anyhow, are we not getting free TP just for playing? Also I’m sure there will be some events as well that might give token/TP. I think it’s too soon to say if prices are too high or not.

[andy_aao]

it’s not only because of that but also because female hairstyle may require more effort to design.
Like in LoL you pay more for skins that require more effort than for skins that require less effort.
In the end if you don’t agree you can always just use the free hair and get free hair dye from achievements

[pkxfire]

…One of the prem hairs is literally a short sea-foam green colour.
It took more effort to make that than the pre-set hairstyles?
Ok lol. You’re comparing LoL Legendary skins [I think that’s the name, hadn’t played in years.] with particle effects, new voices, new re-calls, dances, taunts and other stuff to a hairstyle in game…Lol ok. Even leagues skins are cheaper.

[lancelyn91]

This game just started, so there’s no basis to assume the cash shop will constantly be given power-advantages

Quite the opposite, there’s lots of basis to assume it. Hell, even BEFORE the game went live, there was a lot of basis to assume the game is going to take a P2W route sooner or later. How many games have you seen that implemented a P2W item before the game even started, and then didn’t go the P2W path? I don’t think you can find many.

TL;DR version: if a game implements a P2W mechanic right from the start, you can be pretty sure it will keep doing that in the future.

So people who support the game with something they feel is worth their money, and sell them to other players for profit in-game to upgrade their character, are ‘idiots’? If you’re calling them idiots for supporting something that you think shouldn’t be in the CS in the first place, then shouldn’t you call the people buying them in-game from the Auction House idiots too since they’re giving the CS buyers the reason to purchase them?

Yes, people who support the game by buying P2W items from cash shop are idiots. I wouldn’t even call it “supporting” the game. Developers see that the P2W items are being bought by cash whales, so what do they do? They keep introducing new P2W items to the store. More and more players become dissatisfied because of that situation. You can’t call it “supporting” if it makes general population of players dissatisfied.

And yes, people who buy those items with silver are idiots as well. It doesn’t really matter who gives IMC the $$$. The matter of the fact is - if you buy P2W items with silver from other players, you’re supporting the bad decisions of the game developer regarding P2W items.

If enough people used their brains and thought of the consequences of their spending spree, game developers would be forced to change their cash shop priorities. It would most probably mean less money in the short run, but a satisfied community and longer-lasting population of players who keep the servers healthy and kicking.

Consequences? Lifespan of average MMORPG becomes very short, players are forced to hop from one game to another. Do you understand the frustrastion of not being able to find a long-lasting MMORPG experience nowadays? Try to understand that when people see “P2W items” even BEFORE the game launches, they already lost much hope in the game and decide to not bother with it anymore, or not support it financially.

[andy_aao]

No I wasn’t referring to legendary skins in particular and there are many other cheaper categories, but yes I am comparing a cosmetic with another cosmetic and trying to make the point that cosmetics that require more work cost more than cosmetics that require less work. I don’t see anything wrong with my logic there.
Also like someone else said female hairstyles have higher demand and price is regulated by demand and offer and as I so well learned in school
I don’t know to be honest if a particular hairstyle is worth its price or not but if you think it’s not then don’t buy it. 0 demand means it will probably be replaced or maybe discounted.

I didn’t buy any hairstyle as hairstyles weren’t my priority in day 1

[jchang10931]

Costumes are restricted by class? So… basically unless I happen to play a specific class, an option to give IMC money is gone from me.

…Why would a company that presumably likes money limit a customer’s chances to give them money? That’s just wierd. If I play a wizard, but like a cash shop costume that only archers can equip, I either roll an archer, or I don’t buy the costume from IMC for money.

Or I don’t buy the costume from IMC for money.

I DON’T BUY THE COSTUME FROM IMC FOR MONEY.

IMC MONEY.

MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!

Hello? IMC? Who on earth thought that was a good idea? Don’t you like MONEY?

[chillcross]

• Not the first game to impliment gender bias when it comes to pandering (Staring right at you TERA), but the price is a little too steep of a difference. They know that a good majority of people will play females because better outfits, so it’s not entirely a low blow as much as they know exactly what’s up. I do think that both genders should have the ability to wear whatever hairstyle they want: A man with flowing long locks or a girl with sharp looking hair. I think it flows better in a game like this, imo.

• I do believe that Tokens are far too expensive. What do you guys think is a suitable price for it? I think ~$10 is probably about right, but it may be different for others.