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Don't give TBL points for losing

Like really. Tired of 10k hp full pve leechers, who come to TBL just to die and get those +5 pts.
We’ll got TBL rebalance soon, right? Make this adjustment, please. It’s damn PvP - the only competitive part of the game we have. People should prepare to it accordingly. And maybe you can remove daily limit (50 now) of points - that will really motivate people to actually make PvP characters and tryhard to win.

And don’t cry about - oh oh, there are only kabba/inqui or RMT people who dominate the TBL, cause it’s not. Especially in 2v2, and I hope that 3v3 format will be even better.

I don’t have orange OR trans wpn on this char. You can fight off super-geared people if you make actual PvP build and know what to do. But when you are paired with PvE squishes - its just tilting.

Oh sure! Let’s make it that when you get unfair team compositions you don’t get a single point. Let’s make it that when your full support chrono cryo gets pitted against an oracle you lose automatically. I’m sure thats an answer to every of TBL’s problems.

That being said, i’m not against a change in how pvp points or rankings are handled, I’m just saying that this isn’t a good solution. Just like you, i was able to fight in TBL without any orange gear, as a cryo chrono and I was able to handle myself pretty well in TBL… When i didn’t leave because of letitia potions.

How about premade teams?

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TBL would have to be more balanced, have role queues and occur more often per day for that to make any sense

that wouldnt be very productive if you dont even earn any points for losing.

PvP is literally dead in this game.

Blame IMC for putting a pet as a 20,000 point reward and limiting the points 150 per day.

I don’t care for this mode at all and most likely wont even after changes, but the PvP is only reserved for the most whale players in the game and no one else should even apply.

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wow. Nfprivaron. i never thought that i had see a post that would Mak eme Say to myself.
[i don’t give a **** if imc blocks me from the game, i will hunt you down if you get what you want]

ofcourse with all due respect i won’t persecute you with Curse words through the entirety of this post i’m writing, just giving you an Excellent picture for you to get an idea of my sentiment Reaction to your post.

that being said, i had like to point out with discretion, that i’m not the type of person who would ever do what i just suggested, it’s merely my reaction, i mean it’s a game, i would have to be insane to do that [hah]

Regarding your suggestion to players not getting tbl points when they lose, your anger against players Afking on Tbl is understandable but it doesn’t justify something like hurting all other players besides you and those who are always winning against other people at tbl.

think about it for a second.

if Tbl really stopped giving players who lose Tbl points, then a lot of people would lose hope at participating on tbl At all facing opponents with Higher fps against them and much more used in battle experience.
players would lose patience trying to become good just for the sake of Wanting to Get TBL points to get the items they want and the only people who would continue playing tbl would be those who don’t care about item rewards but just care about having fun killing each other at tbl.
i don’t know what’s the majority of players that only pvp on tbl for item points but i assure that there would be a noticeable drop on players participating in tbl.

by the way, Teamsaku’s suggestion of a premade team Option isn’t a bad one but it still needs to have a bit of [censors] you know, not knowing who you are fighting against to at least once every 2 runs.
something like that.

You know the most ironic part about it all?

I don’t care that you are criticising a mechanic, hell that’s what the forums are for. But when you dismiss others people points like you previously did then don’t expect people to treat your points any differently.

Pvp in this game is just another pve daily just like saalus.

The only viable solution is to remove pvp shop entirely and have something else as a reward that is based on your ranking (weekly?). This would make joining pvp with pve chars pointless.

As for pvp rewards It could be blessed shards, abbrasives etc. This would actually make the pvp competitive.

Leechers detected.
TBL is for serious PvP oriented players, not for cannon fodder.

Alternatively IMC could implement unranked ladder just for TBL points grinding. All afkers, leechers and pve crybabies can gather at that unranked que. Like Normal Games in MOBA.

1.- Everyone should feel a winner.
2.- Everyone should feel unique.
3.- Everyone should feel “The Savior”

Those are the rules for these kind of games, while we all know everyone is the same, and I don’t blame IMC for it, it just what works to keep people playing in MMO’s.

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Participating in TBL with a character who is not suited for PvP - delibirate and conscious spoiling of other people game experience. In a decent competitive game such people would’ve been reported and meet penalties.Don’t have PvP player? Don’t want to make a PvP player? Not interested in PvP? Don’t want to raise your PvP skill? But still want that items from TBL shop? Go farm silver with your PvE character and buy that items from PvP players.

I realise that for many people its ok to be dicks - leeching in dungeons, saalus, ET and TBL and they don’t care being ashamed.

Right to left.

TBL doesnt count how well you participate on the team. One good example is, being MVP is purely decoration. It doesnt affect your points (doesnt give additonal points), which is bummer. Efforts are like, wasted. For example, you are carrying the team with most kills, but still lost the match. Hence, you point loss still be the same. Let it be -12 or even better. Be at top 10 and lost -15 points, while winning only gives you +8. Not to mention it would be harder to get matched when you’re on top or matched with lower ranker which winning only gives you slight points but losing is -13~-15. It’s harsh.

Now, another case is when someone in your team is disconnected. It would give a huge disadvantage for your team, yes? But if you lose the match with someone dced, your team wont get their point loss reduced. This is another case that IMC should consider when giving points for TBL.

I just hope, they will address this. As they planned to rebalance the pvp and revamp the TBL into 3v3.

This is a good Pay 2 Win suggestion.

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Yeah i agree with you that 2v2 is very playable even when lining up against Kabbal/Inqui. 5v5 on the other hand is just unplayable if you are lucky to line up against 3-4 of them. Hopefully IMC does something to their matchmaking algorithm, something like making sure both sides get a healer for a start. (Cmon imc, should’t be that hard to code that)

I am also not against newer players trying out TBL, but i hope something can be done about allowing rank 6 people in. Putting gear aside, a loss of 2 circles of skills/utility puts the entire team in a very very huge disadvantage.

TBH is quite frustrating to get match-made into a match and you see “Hi, i am new” and " First Time pvp :stuck_out_tongue:". Then you mouse over their names only to see they are rank 6. Just get to rank 8 and come back please.

The current match-making algorithm is just too lazy/simple and it is entirely based on ladder ranks. Hopefully new variables like base classes, class nature (red , green,yellow). I am not going to bring gear into the picture for now

I am really looking forward to the new 3v3 format.

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