I mean, i have played this game from CBT, with higher rank class have higher damage factors, and re:build changed everything to about equal, and now with ep.12 new classes have these god like skill factors again…
just comparing PD’s black death and rangda’s Luka you can tell, almost havles the damage. also look at Blossom Blader, that 30k% skill factor!!!
are there a re:re:build coming out on ktos? balancing all the old class to the newer ones?
you cant just compare PD vs rangda just because they works rely on debuff so you think they should have the same/close sfr. rangda doesnt have support/healing/survivability as great as PD.PD can still do mediocre damage but it likely wont surpass rangda.the great PD support capability cost PD less damage. and actually while PD rely on debuffs, its not effectively debuffing like rangda, more like make use of debuff count for extra duration which means extra damage for inceneration which works like luka, and spread it with black death stem or any other debuff with pandemic. one the other hand, rangda focus more on debuffing and more dps.
to make it short, pd great survivability cost him less dps, while rangda also still have survivability like barong, its nowhere as great as healing factor but then he can do more dps.
moreover, you cant just compare green to red.reds are meant to deal more damage, while greens tend to have some kind of utility/uniqueness
also PD just got his buff like 3 or 4 patches ago in our version.i doubt it will get any buff again anytime soon.
Meanwhile crusader exists. Also, I’d like to point out both Rangda and PD are greens.
The horizontal thing that was meant to be Rebuild is gone as much i can tell.
You should check the color of both class, they are all GREEN, which means are supporter class, if you thinks PD’s survivability makes it do less damage, we can compare Rangda to other RED scout class like rogue, corsair, outlaw, they are red class, but do less or about same damage.
Check backstab, hex dropper, rampage and see if rangda(green)'s SFR make sense?
Rangda’s luka lv15 SFR is 732%, if u use piercing heart, it will do damage every 0.2 sec, which is 3660% per sec, and it last 15 sec if you use it right, that 54,000% SFR, for a 15 sec CD, up all the time skill.
its good dmg but think about it, in rangda skill sets u have only 2 skills to do dmg luka/rawa
and luka need another skill to make a combo dmg, and need 15 sec to do that SFR, so many class do much more in 15 sec… xd blossom can do it in 1 hit.
and what class can do 54k in 15 sec with one skill？
also, rogue as a red class, have 2 skills to do damage too. corsair has 2.5…outlaw maybe 1.5？ or 0.5？ i didnt try putlaw so i dont know.
consider multihits? hexen is x8, 1100 x8 8800 x2 overhit 17400 in how? 2 sec? plus +40% brutality buff?
and its CD is 15 sec if i remebered correctly, so the dmg/cd ratio is 1160% per sec. if u are doing a 1 min boss fight, hex can do 69k% total damage, but luka is 210k%, not considering any buffs.
if u no consider any buff no consider the help of piercing heart or debuff u are using to keep the max time luka, u dont start it with all the dmg, u need to put some debuffs and put a triple piercing heart.
Consider that.
ok, so how much more dmg will hex do with throw dagger, brutal, dagger dash(may it helps)？ im not sure how to add them all up together.
right now i think full dagger build can´t match with pistol build (BM) i like rangda mechanics but can´t match with bm assa corsair(meta)
im testing rangda+assa + x , if u want to solo boss i recommend linker (ART) to sustain and extra dmg or corsair for buff luka´s dmg.
wow
this is a pathetic thread that you even use your own answer as the solution hahaha
though if you happy with your own beliefs why bother asking others opinion lol
the class color code means something, but theres also class role if you ever read class tooltip, which include attack,support,and crafting for greens.so basically not all greens equal.even red have their own role, not solely attack.
tsk…
if you want to compare PD vs rangda as a class you should not be bias by adding another class in this comparison as it will be build comparison not class comparison, and it will be a larger issue.PD vs rangda is nice comparation because both are greens with same role. i could add crusader so my build could deal more damage, so you do can add assasin or anything, so on and this class comparison talk is nothing but mere idle talk
for the comparison of both class,
both are greens and also having same role as attack&support.
but if you look at the skillset, even with minor understanding, you shouldve known that pd skillsets are more support focus type rather than attack type(2 attack, 6 supports). while rangda more attack type rather than support.(3 attack,1 dmg boost, 2 supports)
in term of support,
pd is more of party oriented support, while rangda is dps with self sufficient support.rangda having capability of healing from barong and penyerapan arts but it will never surpass the amazing healing factor.plus pd also having more party oriented support like fumigate,pandemic,modafinil and self sufficient support beak mask which is one of op immunity skills with 100% uptime.so from support perspective PD is superior to rangda.
but even when rangda doesnt have support capability as good as pd, it can produce more dmg output,therefore make rangda more dps focus rather than support.anyone can tell rangda will be superior to PD in term of dps.
as for sfr,
you cant just compare the most recent class sfr to the very old class.recent stuffs always tend to be stronger and still high subject of changes.everyone know that most recent class can outperform majority of old classes especially with the new vaivora weapons which boost all these new classes and also some old classes like bm,fletcher,retiarius and so on.thats also why they keep buffing old classes including what they did to pd.
i personally think what happened to pd vs rangda is already a perfect balance fit.it make sense.
they both dot type dps,they can do support as well,but they have different focus.
if you like dot type and want more dps with less support you should play rangda instead.but if you want to be welcome in party stuffs as good support while still be able to do dot damage you can play pd.
as simple as that.
talk about cleric tree,
i myself love clerics including pd. and i would love them to buff pd damage as well.but since the age of people called this game tree of clerics, i highly doubt they will let great healing capability class to deal high damage output.not in one package of a class. like crusader, its green with high dps focus and sh**ty healing capabilty which i dont mind at all since cleric is in need of high burst dps dealer.(physical type still no luck yet)
crusader is green with attack&support role which focus more on attack.in its dps state crusader excels more and capable to be on par with reds.what gives crusader green color is its capability of switching into (worst)support or a bit of both(still worse). and i think he talked about this guy comparing both class to bb which is greens vs red. everything is weaker compare to bb lol.
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