lmao…
but even if you pick your next class, and then go back to killing the mobs… you still haven’t completed the advancement quest so you’re still wasting the exp.
then again, one time, because i was leveling with a friend who was behind a bit, i picked my 2nd rank, and we kept killing, and i ended up being like lv21 before we actually completed the quest…
LMAOO cool story btw… im dying XD
I think I know why though.
Coming from the pro-resets camp, most of the anti-reset arguments are so inherently flawed that it’s literally physical pain in our bum-holes to let some of that strange logic used go unchecked.
Where as most of the arguments for reset are built up the foundation of the idea that the current system is not built for long term retention and enjoyability, thinking of the consequences further down the road, every single anti-reset arguments are based on one of a few of the following pieces of logic…
You should study more before you mess up your character so you don’t mess up your character.
That’s just how this game is, it’s part of the design, if you don’t like it then it isn’t for you.
It can be “exploited” by switching willy nilly either for a changing meta adaptation or to level quicker.
It ruins “diversity”.
1 is fair, but ignores balance patches and sweeping changes that inevitably occur in any MMO with multiple classes and PvP or endgame PvE.
2 isn’t really an argument for or against, it’s just dismissive.
3 is a misconception of the word “exploit”, and ignores the fact that without class changing, people will either quit if their chosen build is eventually ruined, or roll a meta build from level 1 anyway if they’re so intent on being so.
4 is just down right disingenuous. Diversity is created when there are a variety of balanced options to choose from. This is weighed in favor of “popular” archetype classes (for example you’ll always have a lot of people rolling the dark red and black 2h sword cool guy class or whatever over a healer). If the class system is borked from the ground up and viable options are few, diversity is lost before it ever existed in the first place.
It also completely ignores that people don’t simply continue playing their class and roll with the punches if they’re unhappy with a change that ruins their favorite combo or whatever, they simply quit or pick the other meta option they think they’d enjoy. This argument presumes that people simply “deal with their choices” and in this modern MMO age, that’s simply not how the majority of players are. They play for fun, if it’s not fun, they leave.
That’s why it’s always heated, because it’s actually incredibly difficult for pro-reset people to understand the logic behind anti-reset arguments, because they are all such flawed arguments.
well after you pick your next class you can just teleport to the class master right away, which i did ;p
i agree with you but i’ve read some of your topics and some(most) ppl who keep defending the no-reset option just doesn’t care at all and doesn’t want to reason nor think about it, they are just narrow minded and want to stay in their old world dreaming about how good old times were.
i suggest you to stop trying to convince those stubborn baka and to try to talk to new/open minded players instead. also try to write less because most of your post about it are wall posts that usually are never read by the “medium” player
cheers
1; what “might” happen in the future isn’t a very good reason. we see lots of balance changes on kTOS, but there’s no actual guarantee that we will even get the same balance patches that kTOS gets.
and realistically, people don’t want resets for what might happen -someday-. they want resets because they just blundered into a class without checking anything, and now they’ve screwed up their build, and don’t like that their choices had consequences.
2; it -is- dismissive. but the counter arguments for this are purely selfish, so it balances.
3; we happen to consider it “exploitive” to be able to level up as any ‘easy’ class, and then just reset into whatever ‘optimal’ end-game class you choose.
–method 1 (no reset); to be the most effective version of a certain class (like a FS cleric, for example), it requires several ranks of very awkward classes, which nearly everyone considers to be extremely difficult to level. you can pick other classes that are easier to level, but it reduces the effectiveness of your overall build. if you want to be the “best” version, you need to slog through those painful classes like everyone before you did.
–method 2 (full resets); to be the most effective version of a certain class [bla bla bla] f2p players must slog through the slow and painful classes. or just level as whatever is easiest, and throw a bunch of money at it, and pow, suddenly you’re an effective optimal endgame build. yay for pay2win easy leveling! and f**k all those people who didn’t buy the classes they wanted, right?
4; …
and you want to talk about disingenuous ?
again, disingenuous. sure, -some- quit/roll something else/etc.
and -some- stick with it in spite of, and find something else to do with the class/build they have.
there will -always- be a heavy leaning towards what is cool, or whatever the current meta-trends are. it doesn’t matter if you have or don’t have resets.
what having resets -will- ruin is the diversity between starting level and near-end-game level… because if there’s an easier way to level that you just have to throw money at, people will use it. the game will be reduced to 4 basic leveling guides, one for each starting class, which will all end with “level 277+: now go to the TP shop and buy your class resets.”… and between level 1 and 277, there will only be 4 builds you encounter, plus that rare “weirdo that isn’t doing it right”.
lmao, this goes both ways. we try to make detailed counter-arguments and explain -why- we feel it’s a bad idea… and your side counters with “they’re all idiots who just want the game to die when everyone gets screwed over.”
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