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Do this before April 28th, and you can stop the gold sellers

General Discussion
#35

Yes the existing trade system plus making the Token a cash shop only item can stop a major flow of real money to in-game silver.

Players who needs silver in-game can sell other items through AH, because that is the original design of the trade system they have now. Enable Token trading just screw it over for us and IMC, since token gets used as a substitute for silver.

The point of making Token a cash shop only item is to eliminate ways that RMT sellers can transfer silver to their buyers, to make it difficult and not profitable for them to keep operating, which is the goal. It may not stop 100% of the RMT, but it will stop most of them, which I’d gladly buy a Token monthly for that.

#36

As I said, most games allow cash item to tradable through ingame currency. And it worked, GW2 has a gold to gem converter and other games have their own version of token that are sellable. So what if tokens are being used as a currency? Unless the RMT sellers are actually selling tokens(which they don’t) cheaper than IMC’s price, I don’t even see the issue.

The main issue we have is RMT bots being able to hack the game not token sellable/tradable. For god sake how many times do we have to repeat saying RMT is through market NOT token.

YOU DON’T NEED A TOKEN TO USE THE MARKET.

Even after half a day you still fail to see the fact.

#37

It’s true, you don’t need a token to use the market, you don’t even need a token to play game, SO WHY ARE YOU AGAINST THE IDEA OF REMOVING TOKEN FROM TRADE AND MAKE IT CASH SHOP ONLY? Explain your reasoning. All you said was this doesn’t stop RMT sellers completely and RMT sellers are everywhere etc, and that is NOT a reason for not removing token from trade.

And you said so what if tokens are being used as a currency? Are you even aware of the reason why IMC disallowed silver trading in the first place? It was to curb RMT sellers. And right now token is being used as a substitute for silver, which circumvents the silver trading ban, and so remove token from trade will stop that.

You need to see your own failed logic and stop arguing for RMT sellers, unless you are one of them of course. Making Token tradable has a little or no benefit to those who is willing to pay for it with real money. I already put my $50 down at where my mouth is and I am fine with not able to trade Token in game, because it’s better for the economy and better for IMC. You on the other hand, claims to have thousands of dollar to spend on a game, but only put down $10 to “test” this game. Are you really testing? Or are you selling?

#38

But they could sell literally anything worth anything, it doesn’t have to be the Token.

#39

Yeah but if they want to sell items, they will have to farm for it, meaning that they will have to level up a character just like the players, instead of just going into game and flip the tokens for in-game silver or real money.

#40

http://mmogold4usa.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8596_8597_8599


http://www.mmocat.com/Gold/Server/11067119010

Let’s just say Token has nothing to do with silver selling.
I’ve never heard of any sellers dealing with token when selling their silver.
Here is how it’s done:

  1. Buyer put unique stack of items on market: i.e. 10 stack of trash - 10k each.
  2. Wait 30mins+
  3. Contact seller with screenshort of your item.
  4. Seller buy out the items.
  5. Profit

0% of the seller buys and give token to buyer.

This whole thread make no sense.

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#41

Tbh, I’d rather the entire game be behind a paywall anyway.

#42

I don’t mind if IMC make it totally sub base, at least they would have to bare full responsibility to make it hack/bot free. But they wouldn’t. P2P model doesn’t work on most korea mmo nowaday. Competition is way too high there.

#43

Are you retarded… Since when are RMT using tokens as currency. You just have to keep telling yourself that huh? Tokens are limited in the current EA, there is no other way to get more tokens other than buying all founders for the free token + TP.
Yes RMT sellers will be selling their Token, but for more silver so they can sell it. They are not even selling their tokens for real life cash.
And once again, you are really keen to judge players who trade tokens for items as RMT. Are you really that dense? Players are the ones using it as a currency since we can’t trade silver, not the RMTs. Does trading of Talts as currency make you a RMT?

I am disagreeing with your idea not because I want to buy tokens with silver, it’s solely because your idea doesn’t fix sh!t and is pointless.

#44

I am glad we finally came to an agreement on the issue that RMT sellers do sell tokens to get more silver and thus make more profits, which is the reason why I recommended removing tokens from trade.

And no, I am not judging people here, but all you did so far is arguing for the RMT sellers, have you argued for the benefits of the players? The best argument you provided so far is “Oh this doesn’t stop RMT sellers, it’s pointless.” So how could people not label you as a RMT seller if that’s all you been saying all these time?

And on the Talt example you just mentioned, it shows how illogical your argument is. Talt is not something you can just buy from the shop, you have to put in work to farm it. Please don’t mix your RMT seller mentality with that of regular players.

Last but not least, TOS is a game I like and I waited a long time for it. I am sure all the players who love this game do not wish to see TOS turn into an auction house simulator, where people can just come in to flip the token for profit and screw up the economy.

#45

Ok nvm.
The OP is truly ignorant. Why did I even waste my time…

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#46

He is purely dumb. He thinks that Tokens are free everywhere and RMT can keep selling them even after F2P and TP shop opens.

So his whole big hoohaa was all along about
“RMT can sell their tokens they got in their $30 and $50 packages for more silver, then sell the silver”

OR according to his weird ass logic

“RMT can buy tokens with their silver, then sell the tokens to players as currency”

No idea what alcohol or weed he took… just my guess is natural selection.

PS. And NO I didn’t come to your point of agreement at all. You are still misleading yourself.

#47

Oh guess what, this dude here defends so hard about token trading, just like those ppl who are using the infinite money exploit… Makes you wonder huh. GJ roflmaopapa we now know you are one of those exploiter.

#48

Behold! Ignorance beyond imagination!

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#49

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#50

I must say, this logic is dumb as shlt.
There’s no “premium user” between a 10$ player and a 30$ player so stop it already. Its like:

“DUDE! Every person that bought the game for 50$ should be premium cause people with 500+ TP are the ultimate donator and fak off everyone else!”

And just to make something clear: most of gold sellers use stolen credit cards so everything else is invalid. Between 10$ and 50$ when the transaction is fake doesnt mather a lot…

You seriusly pissed me off with this. Better to be a pay 2 play than this “thing” that you’re making up. There’s people that actually bought the 10$ pack cause they can afford that much for a game (I dont use credit cards cause they bring debts like crazy, only cash and is hard to get a cupon for 10$ Steam here where i live…).

PD: Not even FFXIV gets away from gold sellers, just spawn at Gridania or Lower Decks and you’ll be whisper to oblivion.

#51

Dude, BR players are playing this game for free, they found out a steam bug that allow them to buy the EA without paying for it.

There’s a lot of Tokens floating around, that is going to be sold to RMT bots allowing them to be VIPS forever, plus they are probable using this exploit to create their bot accounts, so you can’t track sht.

#52

The central point of this post is to remove Token from trade, which will prevent both existing and potential abuse. But yeah, you got these people here yelling “This is pointless! It doesn’t stop RMT sellers! So we should do nothing!”
Oh and guess what, the Token exploit is real. If these ignorant people even look at the auction house or in-game chat they would have noticed that something was seriously wrong with the Token being traded a ton in the market. RMT sellers has many ways to make profit, and all I am suggesting is to close off one obvious way. Guess I shouldn’t be surprised that these RMT sellers would come onto my post and try to justify to their end.

#53

facepalm before RMT this RMT that please do look at the definition of RMT:

Real Money Trade (RMT) Our Definition of RMT. RMT is defined as the selling and buying of virtual assets for real-world money. Virtual assets can include, but is not limited to: •Accounts.

FOR REAL-WORLD MONEY

This thread along with thread author is assuming that these so called RMT are botting so they could rush buy tokens from the auction house/market and sell it to buyers who will pay them REAL MONEY.

FOR ONE THIS WILL NOT WORK.

WHY?

Did you even bother playing the game to a detailed extent or even pay attention to the mechanics of the auction house/market?

Practically EVERYTHING that you Buy or Sell that has NO POTENTIAL POINTS in will become UNTRADABLE after GOING THROUGH the AUCTION HOUSE. TOKENS are NO EXCEPTION!

By the logic of your argument, the phenomena that you are justifying is basically NOT RMT. IT’S SPENDING MONEY TO GIVE TO IMC FOR PROFIT. WHY? Becase they’re spending $$$ instead to get tokens and sell them AGAIN which is ILLOGICAL

The other end of your argument will also not work. WHY? You can only use the Token to yourself after getting through the auction house because it becomes untradable LOLOLOL.

#54

I give up explaining proper logic to this dude, someone else take over.
And if the BR side do found some exploit on steam, that is steam’s issue. Nothing to do with how the in game items should function. They should get to the root of the issue and fix it, not change how token works.

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