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Do Cannoneer skills rely on Crossbow damage or Offhand Cannon damage?

Class and Rank Archer
#1

Sorry if this seems like a stupid question but I can’t seem to get any good or straight answer through Google.

Like guns and daggers, cannons go in the offhand slot. In the Cannoneer skill animations though it seems the character would switch entirely to the cannon to shoot.

Does this mean that Cannoneer skills rely entirely on the offhand cannon’s damage? Or is it on the mainhand crossbow’s damage and the animation just looks misleading?

I’m asking because I’m looking to invest first in either a good 2H Bow for my non-Cannoneer skills (and use whatever xbow+cannon I can get on switch slot) OR a good Crossbow for all-around use if it contributes to the skill damage.

TIA!

#2

Pretty much all skills rely on both Primary and Secondary weapon damage (check out ToS Mechanics online for a full damage formula) and I can’t see that changing for a Cannoneer despite the misleading graphics. Unless proven otherwise, I would work under the assumption that Crossbow damage contributes to Cannoneer damage. Though let’s be real, at that point most of your damage is coming from your skill flat anyhow :wink:

#3

I’m assuming the same thing because this is the case for Rogue’s Backstab.

#4

Cannoneer skills only rely on the cannon’s damage (secondary weapon damage). It’s easy to test, because you can go use cannon skills on some hanamings and your damage will be the same whether you have a crossbow equipped or not.

However, they do benefit from secondary crossbow stats and bonuses. For example:

-Things like +str, + crit rate, +damage, etc.
-Anvil upgrade’s mitigation towards large/medium enemy missile penalty.

So ideally, you want to pair a cannon with a crossbow that has ideal secondary stats (for example, Regina Crossbow for +25 crit rate) and +anvil it to remove missile penalty against large/medium enemies.

#5

IMC makes these stuff really confusing :confused:

I tested Backstab back on CBT2 and removing the Crossbow actually makes Backstab weaker.

They should seriously add more info about these on tooltips.

#6

I think cannon might be an unique case, since it wasn’t always a sub weapon.

#7

I think backstab also follows the canon rule now. It doesn’t use your main weapon atk,only it’s modifiers

Gonna test when i get home, it’s been long since i had Arde but i recall Karacha did way more damage with the same white crossbow.

Few questions about Cannoneer/ Circling etc
#8

It should follow the crossbow and offhand cannon damage. When I use my cannoneer skills, my damage on character info is so much higher with crossbow on. However, the application is otherwise in that crossbow doesn’t increase the cannoneer damage. Not sure if it’s bugged or not but yeah…

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#9

Thanks for your reply.

So you’re saying that in the game’s current state, Cannoneer skill damage rely solely on the offhand cannon’s damage and not on the mainhand crossbow nor a combination of both’s damage?

How about secondary stats of the mainhand crossbow (e.g. crit atk, etc.)? Do those take into account when using Cannoneer skills?

#10

I’m not sure about extra stats. I’m only using a generic crossbow atm and I tested it on mobs with it and w/o.

#11

It’s OK and no probs. Thanks again for your input. Sheds some light on the topic. :slight_smile:

#12

It just ignores your main hand attack,the rest should work.

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#13

The formula takes the damage from your cannon + critical attack + skill attribute level + skill level. Anyone tested the damage with a cannon transcended? I need to know please, if it is really usefull to upgrade and transcend a cannon. Right now im confused…i tested the damage with a critti cannon +0 and a critti cannon +5, and i didn´t note any difference of damage.

#14

i don’t know formular

but cannon skill scale on both main hand and off hand

#15

It scales on both. Tested it today, although I don’t know how much exactly.

#16

I tested with a “Totally legit” solmiki crossbow and that blue 220 crossbow, both +0 and made no difference.

I believe Mainhand Weapon P.Atk does not matter. Only the sub stats, gems, and +5 refinement for countering the missile reduction matter.

#17

Where did this “info” (where xbow affects cannon skills) come from? I see people parrot it but what basis was used for it?

#18

Moment, I will show you my tests. Cannon skills cannot be used without cannon. You are missing a mechanic.

No cannon equipped, my cannon skills cannot be used. Look at my quickslot nr2 and E buttons.

One image without any weapons.
One image with only crossbow.

If you put cannon into weapon swap slot, it will auto-equip to use cannon skill.

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Without crits.

Only cannon vs [crossbow + cannon]

13k vs 14k. (14675 vs 13376 — difference of 1299 ).
I lose around 10% damage on medium mob due to no crossbow ==> missile size penalty.

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#19

I’m messing with some stuff again. It was auto swap. When I remove cannon from my weapon swap the skills go dark.

But now I’m messing with +0 xbows and I still see maybe 200 damage diff but I can’t rule out variance.

I was pretty sure last year my stance was only the cannon contributes damage. Now I just don’t know.