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Disable People See Your Equipment - (Editing My Last Sugestion)

Sorry for make a new tread for this, but last time I sugested to disable people to see the equipment and build.
BUT I thought more about it, and saw the problem is really people being able to see your equipment.

I will re-writte my sugestion focusing on the equipment, with a more clear dialogue.


Sorry if I’m a noob and this already exist on the game, but everybody can see what build you use, also your equipment.
So you take all the danger (risks) of make a bad build, then if the build become cool, people will just copy you.

**_So, my sugestion is to create a option to let people NOT see your equipment._**

This existed on Ragnarok, and I think is very fair.

I know some people will argue and my opinion about it:

What people argue: - "The way it is, is good to prevent hacker/exploit game bugs."
My Answer: They can do that even with the visibility. People already complain and denouce others because equipments they never saw or skills that gave damage they dont expected. The Staff always will know if a skills is bugged or not. This is no excuse.
Tell me who the hell know how to check if a equipment is being exploited or not??? Less than 5% may have the real knowledge to know exactly what is going on on the calculation of a damage, the rest just became angry and accept what they see, because is really hard to discover exploitation on the game. Again, this is no excuse.

What people argue: - "The way it is good to make people try new things. "
My Answer: Actually this prevent people from trying and make new builds, because they will just copy other people build. Now Tree of Savior is getting some PVP aspects, players go crazy analize other player build to try to copy, while this player (or at least the player he copied) had to take the dificult choice to test the build before know it work or not. I believe this is very unfair.

What people argue: - "What is fun on prevent people from copy your build if they can get the info anyway?"
My Answer: The secret generaly is a good thing in MMORPG. The doubt about what equipment the player is using to cause more damage, what combo he discovered, or what Skill Atribute no one uses but he uses, make you feel special and the mistery of choose the right build becomes bigger.

On the last topic I did about it, people used the same argues, even with the argues answered on the question. So lets see if this continue.

You will see: Those who dont like this sugestion are the exactly people who like to copy other people build. At least the equipment should be enable to prevent have visibility or not. The rest is easy to discover.

I think atributes are not visible, so there is no problem with build visibility (except spoile surprise attacks), but the equipment should NOT be allowed to be saw by any public.

Notice got reports on player equipping weapons on other slots? Hook64 ring a bell? That’s one of the benefits of seeing gear.

Unless you’re one of the players that want other people NOT be able to see that. You would suggest this. Not as if they can see your current gear refinement now.

P/s: i recall that during cbt there was cases where the char has all class even those class don’t have access to, too bad didn’t save the screenshot.

Other games like cabal has the option to turn off see others equipment. You cant see their equipment unless you use hax and do gm mode.

I dont see problems in this. It is one of the basic features on other online games.

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Other games also allow the normal player to see other players equipment, same argument as what you posted.

Point being here

  1. This allow other user to notice ‘abnormal abuse’ and report to GM or atleast make other player notice such bug is in place.
  2. This prevent player from openly abuse the bug / hack like hook64 OPENLY especially when other player cannot view their equipment
  3. Your equipment actual refinement or gem or even stat (such as awaken) is NOT visible unless you link it out to show.

Only reason i see people dont want this view is either

  1. You want to keep element of surprise (be it build/your tactics)
  2. You are one of those who want to OPENLY use the hack which HAS been reported, allowing equipping gears on other slots to abuse the stat. Normal player cannot see so cannot report, which result that you being check by GM is low or non existant (since GM dont even appear in game unless tons of report from players)

You dont need to calculate the dps to know this person is hacking (look at sample reported)
Sample
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/new-exploit-around/286973