Former RO players expecting it to be so much like RO are ruining this game. Not only do they refuse to welcome new and beneficial changes to the game because they think “but RO didn’t have that” and stuff along those lines, they also refuse to accept that things are simply different here than RO and complain about trade restrictions and whatnot.
I’ve played my fair share of RO for a couple of years and I have loved it. But people should learn that this isn’t an RO successor, IMC did NOT market it that way, only those 3rd party reviewers did. The only things that remind me of RO in this game is the music and sprites, but that’s it. Everything else is vastly different.
I’d consider steam reviews to be more reliable if there weren’t people downloading the game and trying to play then giving it a negative review because they didn’t read more then f2p atm. I’ve seen quite a few negative reviews with .1hrs played and the message ISN"T FREE In the review.
Honestly I’d think we’d be at a solid ~70% if it weren’t for the lard-for-brain kids who can’t read notices, yet somehow found this game. But honestly, even 70% is pretty meh in terms of service, I’d find 80% much more acceptable.
There’s many variables and reasons as to why it’s rather low, but one that’d certainly help IMC out by somehow solving are the idiots and making statements idiot-proof. That…won’t change. I’m pretty sure people will make negative reviews on F2P release because they encountered some Portuguese and call them BRs, plaguing the server and all. That’s not even the games fault, so why are you voting the game down?
Granted the game has its flaws in which I hope will be remedied (C’mon IMC, I don’t think it’s hard to release a changeable skin color palette, hell even in the form of an achievement), perhaps it’ll be voted down for the right reasons instead of the wrong and horrifically biased.
[quote=“chillcross, post:23, topic:211961, full:true”] That’s not even the games fault, so why are you voting the game down?
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people vote the game down because there are no personal consequences to online behaviour. just look at the trash and bile being spewed all over these forums, of which i can’t even claim i am entirely innocent of, myself. but imagine if all these people were forced to be in the same location… hardly a fraction of the comments here would be spoken because they might have consequences.
…of course, the person who delivered the punch to the speaker’s face would likely face consequences as well, but anyway.
I wouldn’t take being down voted so lightly. There are a number of people who may refuse to even try a game due to negative views.
I do agree some reviews are a little silly however not all reviews are as some do list the problems they have with the game. While there problems may not be what I see as a problem others might before trying it.
Steam Reviews aren’t perfect however they are a way of giving everyone a voice to speak out about the game the thing is because this is the internet sometimes that voice is jokes, sarcasm, memes. Which cause people to label even a bad game with good reviews.
That doesn’t mean negative reviews aren’t always bad as even bad press can get you sales. The downside this may not even get that due to becoming a free to play game.
The major problem with steam isn’t people leaving bad reviews but the “Review Bombing” when something changes they dislike weather it be adding pay mods or weapon cases which have stats. I don’t like this method of trying to change things people find wrong.
Nah, many people who didn’t know about the game to begin with and discovered it by themselves can be turned off at the gate from seeing the rating say “Mostly Negative”. If they have a friend to convince them, that’s a different story, but no game should be relying only on ‘associated word-of-mouth’ to maintain a playerbase. It’s actually funny you say that, because part of the reason I brought this post/rant up, is because I showed the game to a friend irl who said he’d look into it when he got home, and then when he did, he asked me why the game had thousands of negative reviews in under a month and thought I was trying to troll him.
Problem here is that those legitimate negative reviews are mixed in with pointless ones, and no one who’s undecided is going to read through all of those before they decide whether or not they should play the game; they’d just read the first few legitimate ones and then make their decision. It’s like chillcross said: if it wasn’t for the non-legit reviews, we’d be at least ‘Mostly Positive’ right now.
The silly feedback doesn’t contribute to their work-effort though. It only contributes to how much of a turn-off the game may look to someone new who’s looking at the Reviews/Rating.
So you’re telling me that they just had 2 international betas and 3 Korean betas doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the server congestion/stability, bots/hacks, game performance, and that is alright? That people should just throw money at them like a flock of sheep and pray that one day fixes will come magically through positive reinforcement.
Things just don’t work like that. The game has major problems that need fixing that can’t get done without it being addressed as a whole community. People’s silly opinions aside about balancing, RO, chicken, doesn’t matter when the proof is in the pudding. Those negative reviews are there for a reason and it would be down right stupid to tell people the game is fine along with just letting yourself be duped by a company.
I’m not sure if you’re attempting to troll me, but your lack of reading comprehension (Whether intentional or not) did just make me sigh, I’ll give you that.
In the first post, I said: “Now while I’ll be one of the first to say that this game certainly needs improvements in the most basic areas (Client optimization, Character customization, 180° head rotations)”
Also: “If you disliked more things in the game than you enjoyed, then that’s fine, there’s nothing wrong with expressing that-- as long as it’s reasonable.”
And my first response to you is in your post, which is what you seem to be misinterpreting. Nowhere did I say “Don’t make negative reviews!” or “Ignore the problems!”. I’m stating that the silly negative reviews aren’t helping anyone. I’m going to answer your example now which should clear things up:
No, I’m going to tell them about the issues too and also provide evidence for the issues that are currently being resolved by showing a comparison of how they were earlier, and how they are now, along with showing the good sides of the game instead of just the negatives (I’m a salesman, right?).
If my purpose was to only say the negatives, then what I wouldn’t do, is say: “We’re not trying to stop the bots.” after there’s evidence of bots being stopped, or “The game isn’t free yet” because that has nothing to do with the game itself so why should it be brought up as a negative in a review of the product?
Correct. It would be wrong to say everything is fine with the game when it’s not, as you have to weigh in both sides. But:
These are legitimate, right? How do these help the company improve, or do anything for that matter other than unjustifiably lower the rating?
I’m not. This isn’t some account made yesterday by someone who has never played this game or doesn’t care about it.
I didn’t misinterpret anything. You’re clearly trying to make a point complaining about negative reviews and the future of the game’s reputation.
My point is they only just started doing ANYTHING about this whole situation a week ago after basically ignoring people for half a year. As someone whose gone through both international betas and left actual feedback that was constructive on their surveys it felt like it didn’t matter at all. It’s great they finally decided to do something, but don’t you think a week before launch is a little last minute to start after alienating your focus test groups?
I’m not defending these people and their laziness to make a wall of reasons which are there that the game needs improvements on right now. But I am going to state that the company has made some really bad choices over the past 8 months making everything almost seem like a cash grab to me and others.
These negative reviews while many might be silly are not being drowned out by positive ones for a reason. Just like the solutions to all these problems are going to take time so will the positive reviews when it’s all over. Sitting here basically complaining about negative reviews isn’t going to accomplish anything.
Yeah, but this has nothing to do with the original post topic. It’s like someone bringing up Ice Cream and the flavors, and someone else jumps in and says “COOKIES!”. They’re both snacks, but the topic was about Ice Cream. Optimization and Bots (Which exist in all MMO’s, but the problem in this specific situation was people complaining about Bots and nothing else in their review, after IMC did banwaves on them, as if nothing was being done) are of course issues, but we’re specifically talking about people who aren’t pointing those things out and instead pointing out meaningless things, which still contribute to the rating being lowered.
Yes, and I also said that reason in my first post. The reason was:
If 100 people all buy a product, 60% satisfied and 40% not, you’re more than likely to see more complaints from that total number than you’ll see people vouching for it. At this rate, that’s the scenario this is headed towards. This isn’t something you can just look at and say “Well those reasons are silly but the game has problems so they deserve to be there until the problems are fixed, even if those silly reasons contribute to the game being labeled as Negative.”
Basically an attempt to raise awareness on where this could be headed at the current rate, ='ing people who still play but left it as Neg actually going back to correct it later so the game they haven’t dropped yet doesn’t get undeserved bad press. Also, hopefully other people would see this as a problem and not a “Meh, let it drop to Negative, it won’t change anything”, and add a positive review after they feel the game is in a state to them where they feel it deserves one. You did make me realize the title needs to be more obvious though, thanks.
I know it has issues that needs to be fixed, there’s no conspiracy or attempt to cover that up here, I just don’t believe the game’s state is SO bad, that it deserves more negative press than good press-- especially with reasons that aren’t actually valid. Do you? (That’s a legitimate question)
Well if imc dont fix the problems they did like restrictions on trading and you cherecters trade then this game go dow to 50 or even 40 in no time. The people that give the game bad scores are the people that wanted to support imc and play this game . hell they did pay for it. F2P players will dont give a ■■■■ .
Yes, it was bad and they should feel bad. I do interior remodelling/construction and take pride in my work by making sure if there’s a damn problem I don’t ignore people and fix it ASAP. I don’t sit there and wait 8 months to basically have a knee jerk reaction from customer complaints and negative reviews flooding my forums. If I did I wouldn’t have a job.
If I was a developer and had to wake up everyday to people complaining about my bad designs I would understand that IT’S MY FAULT for causing this and not them. The problem with this topic is basically you don’t understand that no matter what people are going to complain which is fine, but there’s valid reasons for all this negativity.
They should have fixed these problems long before release so it never happened in the first place to get negative reviews. Things are always easier to blame something else rather than admitting fault. At first IMC tried doing that but is crumbling because AYYY LMAO it doesn’t work in this market when you’ve got a bad product to sell!
Lol. No its not that bad. Your going to say even the reviews from people that dont read are legit? How about the ones that complain about things that have already been fixed? There are quite a few examples in this thread already. People who havent even played the game. If you look, many of the people with negative reviews are still playing the game. Why not recommend a game that you regularly play?
I dont think anyone here is saying that every single negative review is wrong, which it seems you think that way when i read
Noone is saying there are no problems that shouldnt be complained about. I’m not sure what youre trying to prove.[quote=“ophiuchu, post:33, topic:211961”]
do interior remodelling/construction and take pride in my work by making sure if there’s a damn problem I don’t ignore people and fix it ASAP.
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Ok, imagine if you had an advertisement “free evaluation”. this is just to evaluate to see how much it would cost. Someone sees free and when you tell them the price they go “what? it said free!” this reaction is because they dont read. Then they go online and give a negative review. Is this review legit? They dont even know how good your work is. Even if you tell them it was just an evaluation, they dont care. Negative review stays. Now imagine if 100 people do this. People will go online see your satisfaction rating and not look at you again. Because of illegitimate reviews.
EVERY MMO has bots. If you think otherwise, you haven’t played other MMOs or you’re just dumb. Server instability is a bit of an issue, yes. It does need to be addressed. Paywalling isn’t an issue at all. People will cry about anything in a cash shop though, so I"m not surprised. The performance is being worked on as they have announced.
As dumb as it is to ignore a game based purely on the rating, without reading the reviews, you are correct. Then again there are people like ophiuchu who will greatly exaggerate what is actually going on. It’s a tough situation that will be remedied once it goes free-to-play.
This is a huge issue. My class changed? There’s grind at later levels? Screw this game! I’m going to keep playing it 5 hours a day, but it’s getting a thumbs down from me!
Server congestion/stability would OBVIOUSLY be less of an issue in a beta where there are less players. Think about that for over 5 seconds. Bots and hacks will ALWAYS exist. You can’t blame IMC for them. Also they are constantly banning them. What more do you want? You can’t stop bots. That’s all there is to it. Have you played any other MMORPGs before? Either you haven’t, or you played them with your eyes closed. EVERY MMORPG has had bots, dating back over 15 years!
Steam review isn’t a real good source of how a game is doing. All reviews are like that you have to take it with a grain of salt. If 100 people say its bad sure I can be bad. If 100 people say the company managing the game is bad, doesn’t technically mean the game itself is bad.
I mean there have been TONS of people who will down talk a game and call it trash but will still play it on launch date. This has been proven time and time again. It’s really hard to judge a person review if they will just constant put down a game and complain about everything but will keep playing the game.
That mean there is some side to it you enjoy? That or the person is just a closet masochist, who enjoys playing things they hate. I mean steam let you publicly see how often people play a game and if people give it a terrible review but still continue playing it I would have 2nd thoughts on that review.
Most of the review I see on steam now for TOS seems to just be rage posting. Not to mention the price change which introduce even more rage posting.
Comments like this are as bad as the ones on Steam. The damn auction house and dungeon instance servers didn’t even work properly for more than a couple hours a day in iCBT2. I’m sure you can find the old topics somewhere on the forums. So yes, I can actually blame IMC for not investing in proper servers.
I guess I can’t blame them for faulty coding either to allow exploits for auto attacks hitting the whole screen or people instantly leveling 1 to 200? Or like them making everything client side to allow simple hacks to easily work.
So because bots exist that’s okay to just ignore them for 8 months and put in a bad system that helps RMT and pisses off players while also making yourself more money. Then sit there and wonder why people have negative opinions about everything. And when I do flip the switch within a week people should all change their opinion instantly.
To say I haven’t played MMO or anything is the real stupid thing because I’ve been here since iCBT1 and why I’m taking time to sit here explaining why most real people are being negative not positive. But everything is fine though right? I’m sure if IMC did nothing the game would be great using flower power since bots are everywhere and normal!
And that’s why they have a voting system to try and help filter out bad reviews. This game is very niche to begin with for most new people not being very friendly due to a complete lack of information or it being scrambled across multiple sources.
