Dagger mastery (Attribute) vs werewolf cards

[c2gaming.seetoo]

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Server Name:
Telsiai

Team Name:
Koh

Character Name:
Kaia

Bug Description :
Taking the rogue attribute Dagger mastery: sudden attack will disable werewolf cards

Steps to reproduce the issue :

1. Buy the attribute
2. Werewolf cards will no longer work

Screenshots / Video :
This is a video of me making 20 hits with only 3 crits even with lv 15 [sneak hit] and 64 stars from werewolf cards.

Here is what customer support doesn’t understand.

1. Lv 15 [sneak hit] is +90% crit chance (not crit rate, they are different) from behind. In simple terms, 9 out of 10 hits should crit in that case.
2. Werewolf cards apply number of stars as a % of crit gained from [sneak hit] to all hits from any direction. This means at lv 15 I get + 90% crit chance from behind and + 57.6% crit chance from the front and the sides.
3. My crit rate is 108. This means I have a crit chance of 14.9% from all directions. This is why I still manage to crit 3 out of the 20 hits I made.

In the video I crit 3 out of 20 times I attack from either the front or the sides. This is normal IF I were not using werewolf cards. The issue is I was. That is a clear indication that the werewolf cards are not working.

Combining all this information, I should get 100% crit chance from behind and 72.5% crit chance from the front and the sides. I used to have these numbers (before I bought the attribute dagger mastery: sudden attack). I can’t make a video of that anymore because I can’t “unlearn” attributes.

What I did do though is make a new rogue but this time I did NOT buy dagger mastery: sudden attack. On the new rogue the werewolf cards work.

I’m requesting that the attribute be removed/unlearned from my character Kaia Koh so that it is still functional and not just dead weight. Should this fix my issue, I can then spread the information on the forums to prevent other players from making that mistake. Rogue with werewolf cards is a famous combination but almost no one knows about dagger mastery: sudden attack disabling werewolf cards.

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Tagging @STAFF_Max

[TIDMAN]

your real cri rate was 5.82%

but yeah it was an old bug

[Werewolf Card] bug dont sync with some skills

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[c2gaming.seetoo]

I read that. The reason I made my thread is because I narrowed my problem down to the rogue attribute dagger mastery: sudden attack. This isn’t a shot in the dark like “fix werewolf cards”. That is too broad. This is more like “dagger mastery broke my character, please remove the attribute from my character”.

A side effect of this would be being able to warn other players not to take the attribute if they want to use the cards.

[c2gaming.seetoo]

@STAFF_Max, you see this? This is just another example of people falling for this trap because you/your people will not acknowledge this bug.

[achyetoque]

zzz…then how to remove that attri…i wonder y my wolfcard not function…after a long time i read this thread…haiz…gm pls solve this prob…

[c2gaming.seetoo]

Calling on @STAFF_Yuri since @STAFF_Max won’t respond.

[rophyst]

@STAFF_Amy since @STAFF_Yuri won’t respond

[c2gaming.seetoo]

They already have a script for removing attributes. The class reset they already have in ktos removes attributes. All they have to do is run the script for my 1 character to remove all my attributes.

I don’t even care if they remove all off them, at least my character is usable again. I lose over 60% my damage with this bug for how ever long a time IMC doesn’t remove this bugged attribute.

[rophyst]

my rogue is 260 now and have same problem,if you find some change or bug fix please tell me. thank you! XD

[leleconildo]

It’s probably just bad coding, the attribute probably checks if the hits are from the back before the Werewolf does and ends overlapping it. When it should actually always run werewolf first,then check if it’s a back attack.

It was expected from imc and a game with do much different classes/features

[bolvar22]

I have the same issue, even when not using Daggers at all, so I’m going to start an experiment.

Since I have no use for my free Rank Reset Voucher anyway and since they remove all Attributes, I might aswell try this. I let you know what happens.

Edit after Rank Reset, I can already tell its working with Rouge 1 with no Attributes learned at all, I suddenly can crit the mob using 4xlvl10 Werewolf cards with lvl5 Sneak hit and same crit rate about 1/3 of the time, were prior I could only do it from behind.

I recorded both testing session and will do another one after I relearned everything except Dagger Mastery. Also will do some separate sessions to make sure its not also some other attributes.

[c2gaming.seetoo]

We can pin point the cause for this. The problem is IMC won’t acknowledge it. Customer support won’t acknowledge it given the screenshot of their reply. Both @STAFF_Max and @STAFF_Yuri won’t acknowledge it despite the calls. All the while you have multiple rogues falling for this trap of an attribute because IMC won’t even put an on/off toggle for it like other attributes.

[bolvar22]

So I’m done Uploading both Videos, everything in both vidoes is the same except 2 differences.

One being that I do not have the Dagger mastery in the second after using a Rank Reset Voucher. And the other is that I cleaned up my messy Werewolf Card Setup from a bunch of mixed Rank (in total 52 % in the first video) to a clean 5x Rank 10.

With Dagger Mastery:

Without Dagger Mastery:

[serialata4]

I hope this bug gets fixed, so I can invest in some werewolves. But for now I’ll just target backs.

[marcosmanrique92]

So AoE skills still work with the dagger mastery bug?

[marcosmanrique92]

Can someone confirm this?

[UselessBug]

it’s true, I have 8 lv10 werewolf cards and dagger mastery, and like people say here all single target attacks (besides hunters coursing and retrieve) don’t work with sneak hit + werewolf card once you get dagger mastery. It only works from behind enemies. multishot and all my hackapelle skills work just fine.

[Blackmoar0]

They should make this attribute toggleable, like the cleric “Blunt mastery: Stun” at least.
it’s a shame that you have to reroll another char because of a bug.

[c2gaming.seetoo]

Worse part is when IMC will just not acknowledge this as a bug. @STAFF_Max @STAFF_Letitia

[Sakuya_Iza]

I have this problem too, its funny how imc staff just not respond hahaha @STAFF_Ethan @STAFF_Yuri @STAFF_Letitia @STAFF_Amy @STAFF_Max