so this is my build, can u guys tell me what cons and pros is
thanks so much
Corsair 3 is incredibly lackluster at the moment, the only reason to take it would be with the hope they they will buff it other than that it’s pointless.
I think that for any DPS character you build, taking a lower rank class at a higher rank for damaging skills is a bad idea.
For example:
- It’s completely fine to take hoplite C1 at rank 3 (because that’s when you unlock it)
- It’s completely fine to take barbarian C2 at rank 4 (because that’s when you unlock it)
But…
- It’s a bad idea to take hoplite C1 at rank 4 or more.
- It’s a bad idea to take barbarian C2 at rank 5 or more.
You should only do these sort of thing if you are REALLY sure of what you’re doing. You can take lower rank classes for utility skills but for dmg skills it’s usually a bad idea.
That being said, I’d really, REALLY, avoid taking swordman C3 at rank 4. Not just you’re taking a lower rank class but you’re also going for swordy 3 which is generally considered a bad class unless if it’s a heavily PvP focused build.
Taking swordy C2 is also a bit more PvP oriented, so if you want to be more useful in PvM I’d recommend taking peltasta instead. You can use swash buckling with sword + dagger and now it gives a nice +25% constant hp increase as long as you recast it every 30 seconds.
Also as boltonsquad mentioned, corsair C3 is not so good when compared to other rank 7 classes (doppel C2, dragoon, etc)
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S2 is completly useless, you either go S3 or S1 (for restrain) S3 gives you Restrain and also a semi useful concentrate for pvp. However, not necessarly for a barbarian coz they have good stunskills anyways.
In PVE restrain would be good if it’d work against bosses but unfortunatley bosses are stun immune.
Corsair 3 also doesn’t bring much stuff to the table. You get the pistol shot which is useless. 100% uptime on DWA (rather than 90% uptime) and a slightly better hexendropper. The skill scales mainly of your atk, not skilllevel.
Stomping kick from barb is quite ■■■■. Cleave might be good for corsair if we get the 50% more slash damage buff. If you go barbarian with Corsair and DWA I’d personally go C3 or at least C2 barbarian because frenzy and warcry synergize extremly well with DWA. (You build up frenzy stacks twice as fast and both warcry and frenzy are TWICE as strong because they apply to each hand)
Problem with Barbarian/corsair is that they dont have any use for the 2nd class advancement. Neither Highlander, nor peltesta, nor swordman C2 are very useful for the class. And you miss out on the C7 class. Some people like to get Doppelsoeldner C7 but then you miss out Barbarian C3 which is almost essential for the synergy…
If you would want a barb/corsair for PVE (and you can do some PVP too) i’d do this build:
This is a high dex build which uses DWA from corsair. Str doesnt benefit you that much because a lot of your atk comes from skills so you need a lot of dex to crit.
You use Gung ho +70 dmg, Warcry if you have 4-5 enemies next to you + 290 atk and then build up frenzy stacks quickly for +200 atk or +400 atk with the attribute off against bosses. Due to DWA it only takes you 5 attacks to go up to 200atk.
So you now do +560 atk with each hand. you can then cycle through your active skills.
Problems is that frenzy/warcry have quite a hefty cooldown atm (which might get reduced if we get the ktos update). The other issues is that non-corsair skills only use your main hand to calculate damage.
The hoplite version of this build gets 100 dex for free due to finestra and a free C7 class, which means they can have 170 more Str for the same price and can get i.e. doppelsoeldner at c7. They however, don’t have the barbarian stun skills and much worse AoE…
If you fight enemies with a lot of physical attacks you can activate guardian instead of gung ho for +18% evasion (which is good if you are high dex).
The build will get problems lv 200+ because enemies have a lot of def so you don’t do much damage with autoattacks. (skills are less affected by that).
If I have 300 Str, a 350 Atk sword and use a 1000 atk skill with lets say 50% more damage from attribute and the enemy has 500 def I do 1975 damage.
If you have 300 Str, equip a 300 atksword and 300 atk dagger and beef yourself up with +500 atk from frenzy/warcry/gunho against a 500 def enemy you do 600 dmg (x2) for only 1200 dmg per attack. Slower, more powerful attacks are better against high def.
This doesn’t take into account that the skilldmg guy with his 2h sword can still use frenzy/warcry/gungho. You can argue that you also have those skills and only use DWA as a filler. However, you have to sacrifice 2 ranks while the 2h sword barbarian gets sick doppelsoeldner skills as “filler” and fights usually dont last long in the first place.
Some people do a highlander/corsair build, because you then have Armour break to get rid of this disadvantage of high def. However, skullwing has a 40 second cooldown and you obviously then dont have frenzy/warcry and are stuck with the higherlander atk skills which dont benefit your dual wield.
thanks your replying, i know the barbarian skill have 100% stun chance but the restrain from Swordman have a slow after the stun(attribute), that make the attack speed from corsair really good with restrain 10, imagine the 40% stun/slow with dual wield…
right now im level 65,S2/Barbarian 1 and yeah,im still going S3 here, but i might change the corsair c3 to c2 and shinobi…maybe…
barb doesnt have 100% stun chance on his skills… I think it’s probably around 50-70%?
40% stun with dual wield is really good but what for? In pve its useless. The only think I can think off is that monsters are much more powerful in lv 200+ to the point where you 1v1 them and they can hit you with nasty magic attacks. Therefore if you keep them stunlocked they cant do anything. Problem with this is that you only have it up for 60s with another 60s of cooldown in between. So you can’t rely on it.
The other issue is that you have to get S3 which means you have to take 1 off barbarian which is bad. S3 B2 C2 is really halfbaked. You don’t have the frenzy attribute either with B2 only. S2 20% stunchance with 90 second downtime in between isn’t working.
Keep in mind the stun doesnt work on bosses either.
In pvp its good, but you a) have the issue of getting to the enemy in the first place and b) even if you use shinanigans like hook to get to your enemy barbarian burst skills i.e. helm chopper and seism are much better to keep your enemy stunned. You can keep your enemy stunlocked with those skills too and do way more damage.
S3 B1 Corsair 2 Shinobi 1 is imho a weak build.
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very insight knowledge…wew, i might switch to B2 after read those, but i really scare there will be too many buffs and the buff cap limit are 5 so we might lose some buff when going with the party(1gungho,2concentrate,3frenzy,4restrain,5warcry(?),DWA(6))
another question:should i max cleave or help chopper, and which skill to take first when i make to corsair?
lasst:did your char follow this build too?(S2/B2/C2/Sh)
Concentrate is only good if you go S3. The attribute makes this a decent addon (which however, is just an addon at the end. think of it as +critatk which gets added to noncrits too). With S1/S2 it only lasts a few hits though which is annoying. I wouldnt use it.
Restrain on S2 is imho almost completly useless. If youare only lv 60 i would just reroll, it only takes a few hours to get to 60. Just quickly go to lv 50 then you do dungeon x3 and you are level 63. I think people should play what they want but S2 is just a really,really crap class.
Cleave I would max mostly. The skill only hits once but if you use it on a stunned enemy it gives +150% damage. Thats a multiplicator, so with +100% damage from the attribute you do 100% x 150% = 500% damage.
Also in the future the +50 crit might get changed to +50% slash damage.
Helm chopper has a chance to stun and hits twice, however, not really faster than your default attackspeed. It’s good and the damage does scale well with each level, but it’s not worth above level 1 unless you can spare the points.
Swordsmen can have 6 active buffs i think with rank 5. keep in mind that with too many active skills you spend a lot of time casting rather than attacking.
Only Corsair3 build is Sw1-Pelt1-Hop2-Cor3.
I went with 2 swordsmen due to pvp. Not a good idea in PvE, so I’ve learned.
Just understand the synergy Long Stride and Spear Lunge provide (Long Stride is kinda less obvious here) to Hexen Dropper and Hook. Also Restrain and Pistol Shot (which is large AoE multihit).
It’s also probably second best PvP swordsman build after Cata.
You mean befor Cata.