Tree of Savior Forum

[Community Discussion] IMC's Stance on Scams

General Discussion
#1

Reality of the current trading situation, inability to 1:1 trade items like Cards, and just as a general issue because scamming exists in any market on a video game leads us to ask what is the stance of this issue to IMC?

Let’s paint a picture, that is a reality to some, I’m a Sorcerer and I want a card from a player. Currently we cannot give these cards to each other, but we can essentially “win trade” until I receive the desired card from a seller. In order to purchase this, I’ll be either giving the player an item of value, items of silver redeeming value through NPC, or buying some sort of (trash) item off the Auction House that the seller has placed up [All of this sounds awfully close to what might appear “Fishing” behavior to the IMC’s targetted RMTers for silver selling].

So we do the above, but after I traded my, lets say 50x talts to the seller, he just ups and leaves. Or we even engage in card battle, but instead winning, I lose a card, several, and the seller just ups and leaves or disconnects to be unheard from ever again. Well now I’m down 50x talts, several cards, and royally pissed at losing out on a deal.

What is the stance of IMC on scamming in general? This is a legit question, some games actually allow “Scamming”. That is if you’re unwise enough to let go of something in-game without something for collateral or in return, that’s on you. Is that the same here in Tree of Savior? Because players are already circumventing your silly trade restrictions in attempts to make the best of things, but making best of things still leaves us rather vulnerable (Odd how we’re still suffering). Or does IMC desire to make things “Right”, if a player reportedly is scammed will they dig into the party’s involved pockets to reset things.

#2

What the… you know, engaging in card battles is literally a form a gambling? Do you call the cops when you go gambling and lose your money at the casino? It’s not a scam, it’s literally your own ignorance.

#3

Everything I read from this jonathansilva person, I just frown and close.

Anyways jonathansilva, IDK why you are asking us. IMC will have to address this if it becomes an issue once 1:1 trading is available to all.

The only response you’ll get from the genral playerbase is, yes scamming bad (if not a scammer) or yes scamming good (if person is a scammer).

Trading in general comes with these inherent risks. All the individual user can do is be careful. Then if it happens report to IMC through support tickets to see if anything can be done.

#4

i tend to be in the middle ground myself… but i’m old school, and i’ve been in some of those games where scamming was allowed, unless you got out of control. it gave me a chuckle to read their Rules, and read that only “Excessive scamming is forbidden.” (implying that a reasonable amount of scamming is fine.)
I was never a scammer myself, nor was i ever scammed (at least not to any degree that i would still recall it), but i liked the idea of assuming that the players were capable of both intelligence, and responsibility for their own actions.

sadly, with the amount of crying going on in the forums over literally everything already, it’s easy to see that many gamers are no longer able to be held to that standard. that in mind, i can’t tell if IMC will just sigh, and try to hold everyone’s hand and make everything better… or give up, and tell everyone “we just don’t have time to deal with your sh*t if you can’t tell that a ridiculous offer is clearly fake.”