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[closed] What this Mystery Cube provide that is so valuable please? And About Bans tell about it

hi, here I am again. not to criticize, just want information, an see if I’m wrong.

You don’t need to read the text below [compacted on the link “a Big Bible”, just tell me:

What this Mystery Cube provide that is so valuable please??

also,

Is the the Cube that is the reason of bans, from a specific Mission, or Saalus count too? I still don’t understand why this bans occurred, because someone opened a item that appeared inside their inventories without they do ANYTHING except LOGIN the game. Please, enlight me, just don’t tell me that I should know the mechanics of this cubes, as if I was an developer and not a player.

Also if you have time and patience, specially with me, see the [The bible] I did about all of this to help me understand that.

[details=A Big Bible]
First of all, I dont was banned!

Don’t come here saying: “You are just complaining because you get caught”. If you don’t have “any lack of intelligence” to be on the other side of the story, don’t even try to argue please.

Second,
I am here as someone that want INFORMATION, to erase the disappointment I felt about all of this, what means I just want to be wrong here. Have some patience if I am wrong, because I want to be wrong.

Third,
I’m a frequently poster of the ToS Forum, a real annoying one, where I stopped play for months, but never stopped come to the forums because I love the game. But I don’t knew what was the Mystery Cube, that it was the same as the Saalus Cube, or that they was getting duplicated, or that this was being caused by the own players. I still don’t even know exactly what happened.
Yet, some people here still think I am obliged to know exactly what is on my inventory, and what the server recognized or not, especially if the server is unstable, without any warnings.

4º,
I think real cheaters really deserve punishment. Bots, AFK Farmers, real exploiters that alter values of equipments to gain advantage, and also RMT sellers, all of then have to be punished, and yes, perma ban on them! If they get caught doing that.

so, My vision on this storys about bans because crashing:
First, I started to see threads of bug/abuse report (only the title) as “please stop these cannel crashing.”, “Please ban this people crashing the server”. But I dont had cared about that, because it’s not my Job check players complain about bots or anything.
After, I saw the server suffering failures while in the game, where also I could not login too, so I thought: “must be these crashing people working.” even without know what it is.
Then, I started to see on the forums something about command “/pmp”, like “there is people using pmp inside the city, do something”.
In the end, I saw the Post of the staff saying: “We announce we had ban the exploiters, based on how much they opened the Mystery Cubes”.

So ME and everybody, was “wow” :scream: , IMC is acting against the crashers!! Much likes and Congratulations!!! (most part still is)

But after see some complains about this bans, I started to investigate. You know [Batman mode persona].

I saw that people who received the Cube again on the inventory, without know why, and then opened it more than one time, sometimes 5x times, got banned.
I started to feel very disappointed, because I thought it was a war against the crashers, not about the players who simply opened this cube again, since it was on their inventories, simply like that.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I STILL was thinking that the Mystery Cube was something very special, very valuable, something close to Goddess Cube, that provide almost every time a valuable item.

Today doing my Saalus as the costume, sometimes while I’m waiting and it take time (you know, less players on the game, specially some hours of the day), I upgrade the equipment, punch the air, see if there is any Craft to be done, or just watch what I have on the inventory, then I realized that this Mystery Cube is the same as the Saalus cube. I always open it when I get bored, and I tell you, I never know what I won or the value of it, even worst, how much I have, maybe you all can help me On that. I have more or less 30 Mystery Cubes, that I open randomly and without care about it.

But wait, so people received more than one (the same that was opened before) but they dont know it, let’s call that, Saalus Cube, after they opened it, without do anything to receive it again, and since it was there as a gift. Not only that, when they did that, the server was very unstable, and disconnecting them all the time, making lots of people think that the cube that was there again was caused by the disconnect, and that was the same cube. Still, they got banned. Is that it??
How many times I was walking to a point of the map, then I received a disconnect, but the game don’t had shown that, and I continued to walk. When the game alerted about that and I re-login, I was on the middle of the way I already had walked.

So, its:
“Some players crashed the whole serve using the client itself, then a big part of players that had anything to do with it got the item again they just had used, then everybody who used it again, without know or not that it was duplicated or caused by exploiters, just got banned.”

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I’M WRONG on all this story.
because if this is right, Do you people have any idea of what this phrase below impact people outside on the others games?

Can someone enlighten me please exactly from where this Mystery Cube of the bans come from, like from what mission?

Also, about your opinions:
Because from where I see, If I see a cube on my inventory again, without know from where this had come from, without know about others players making a server crash, and finally I decided to open it, since it was there, I’ve become an exploiter??
So on your minds, if I receive 500k directly into my account on the game, by any mistake imaginable, and then use it, I’m a exploiter?[/details]

This cube is given for a level 327 quest. It may give practonuim.

This have anything to do with Saalus?

As @atari said, it is given after a serie of quests that start around Lv 280 or 285, it is a bit long and some of them require items to be triggered or certain conditions.

As for the box itself again as @atari said, it gives a chance at a Practonium, which is a high level material used on 315 recipes (purple ones use 1 and orange ones use 2).

To make sure you wouldn’t do anything wrong, first off, you would know more or less what you got from the cube, if it is the Misery Cube (AKA Mystery Cube from Merc Missions), i wouldn’t bother much since that one only give crap anyway.
If it is the Pract cube then things might change, or other cube like WBs cubes or dungeon bosses Cubes or even Blessed Cubes and Saalus Cubes, since those have a chance to give relative good stuff.

If you know what you got when you opened the cube before the crash and take a look at your inventory, found another cube and before opening it check if what you got before still in there, I think you would pretty much guess that something wrong happened, so you can either call a GM, make a ticket in the website or simple delete the cube.

Imho a ticket or talk to the GM would be better tho. Explaining the situation would make things clear and you would be with a clear conscience.

No.

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just to complement the posts above,
I may be wrong but the mystical cube (not mystery) Is a special cube that you can open 1 time a day,
there is a timer to indicate when it can be opened.

Those who got banned where those who opened it more than 1 time a day,
“which is clearly a indicator that something is not working correctly and they shouldn’t have opened it multiple times.”

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@Nirimetus @_Yuki , thanks for the informations. Now I understand the value of this cubes, and I now know that this have nothing to do with Saalus or other Missions, and that the cubes of this last dont worth nothing in comparicion to the Practonium cube.

Well first of all, thanks for the reply and I respect your opinion, for real.

its not irony, really, thanks .I apreciate the time you took to help me. Now I have more insight about it.

But I disagree completely. It not the player job to be checking if something is wrong on the server recognition/quantitation, and worst, use the support to say: “hey, I’m receiving itens that I dont diserve, make something”.

Specialy on: [quote=“Nirimetus, post:4, topic:345529”]
If you know what you got when you opened the cube before the crash and take a look at your inventory
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That is my point. Now players have to worry about what they get, instead just play.

I really don’t understand why you people really think this is the case. In ANY game, the player is the wrong guy when they login and see a new item on the inventory or even the same item as before, and then open it. Specialy, when this server is crashing or unstable, and they (this player) did nothing about it.
Open a ticket to talk about something extra that appeared on the inventory, without you do anything wrong to get it, its not only be too much honest, its insane, because it is not the player job. When the player now have to police what maybe wrong with the game, instead just play it? Why he has to complain or worry about itens that he did nothing to get it? I still dont believe it.

What most part of games do when a exploit affect tens of players? They reset the server to a day before, or if the database is very well designed, just undo all the cubes received that day, much better, but of course, it is not so well designed, and is more easily to blame the players who dont saw that coming, instead admit dont have control over it, specialy when most part of the community give support.

I realize that debate this here is useless, since no one will put himself on the oposite view. Specialy when they think the ones who got punished, was the same who started the crashing that affect all the players.

I’m just very disappointed, not with IMC this time. When you support something that happened, who made this happen its not the worst anymore.

But thank you for your informations.

That is called being fair and honest, you want an example, me.

On the first month when many of us bought the Founders Pack to gain Earlier Access, there was a second batch of the same packs but for who already bought the first one.

I tried to buy the second one, but my CC reached its limit, at the same time, there was an exploit in the Steam sales system that allowed one to buy stuff without paying (AKA Boleto Bancário) in Brazil (not sure if other countries in South America have the same thing).

For my surprise, it happened to me due to that issue in my CC and after i tried with another card resulting in the same problem. (I blame the lack of credit in the cards on some people here who use the cards without warning lol)

Of course I wouldn’t want that kind of thing, I am an honest person and will always be, so I promptly send a ticket to IMC informing all the procedure and conditions that made the exploit happen even with some other kind of payment.

Here is the result:

And their action (which I think it is not the right one, it should had been deleted lol):

It is permanently 3 hours to receive so I don’t even bother much, but that N of new mail bother the hell out of me lol, I keep checking to see if there wasn’t any kind of compensation for something that might had happened when I was off-line.

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ok, I see that you got the wrong idea from my post.
It’s completely my fault, now I edited it to add quotes ("") to my phrase.

It’s not my point of view neither opinion, my post was presenting you how and why they did what they did, How the cube mechanics work, and to provide the requested information as asked. Nothing related to my thinking.
In the op you never mentioned about our personal point of view about this incident.

If you want me to explain my opinion I’ll just say that I don’t agree with their means, there where probably some careless player that opened the cube without being aware of the situation and got punished for it.
I would consider this kind of person (the careless player) innocent of any cheating, they did “cheat” without knowing by means of a bug caused by the game developers and should only be punished with the deletion of the acquired items and a warning.

I’m nearly sure that I would have opened at least 2 times if I had the cube, thinking It was a rollback caused by the crash.

When I get items in my inventory without knowing why I don’t worry about it being a bugged/exploit item, I just get happy that I got a item that i didn’t knew I had.
the idea of the item being something that wasn’t supposed to be mine is the least one that would come to my head.


please could you explain with other words what this phrase means?
I can’t get the meaning, I’m not a native English speaker.
With whom are you disappointed?
To me this phrase is really vague and ambiguous.

somehow I feel like I have fallen into a trap by answering the op, a huge and elaborated bait.
I never ever said it was the players fault, and I feel very disappointed with myself for the fact that I spent my time reading your whole post to give you a proper answer.

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I think he meant he don’t approve of who think that even who got caught up in the crossfire between IMC and who was behind the crashes to get banned.

And that is when i said on my previous post that it is a question of being fair and honest, if whoever was just point out what happened to them, IMC will simple have to look into the server logs and confirm that, specially if you provide screen shots or videos with evidence.

But I can see that the OP doesn’t want to do a bit of work on his side to avoid major problems later on.

Well, each one to their own devices i guess.

We tried to provide him information with the best of our abilities, but if he don’t recognize when people try to be helpful nothing we can do about it.

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Thanks for trying to clarify it,
you are very cute :blush:

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@Nirimetus and @_Yuki
Feel sorry for you guys being baited.
All he wants was a bit of attention if you check his previous posts you can see what type of “person” you’re dealing.

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Thanks for the heads up, I will start to check the people i don’t know backgrounds before answering from now on.

Some people i tell you, have enough time to waste on the most idiotic things lol.

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