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Cleric c2 or Krivis c1 for Daino

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

Hi.
My build now is Cleric1 > Priest3 > Pardoner1, plan to go PD2 at R7&R8. 50CON and rest into SPR. Only solo play and random party.

I don’t want to give up Pardoner c1 or PD c2, that will make me hard to solo in late game, and the Mdef buff is useful for team too.
For random party, my buffs for team will beyond the limit so I need Krivis to get Daino or buy Daino scrolls.

I think Heal5 is enough, but Safety Zone10+attribute is really good, and Divine Might & Fade are useful too.
But it depress me having no silver income from dungeons if I keep the Daino with scrolls, it will cost me a lot in the long run.

Is Cleric c2 worth more than the cost of Daino scrolls? need opinions.

#2

If your entire goal is pve pug groups or solo pve play then yes, id say pick up that cleric 2, you wont regret it. If you plan to pvp though, you might wanna think about picking up oracle to go along with that just for that guarenteed imunity to level 1 debuffs and the magic immunity from counter spell.

This is of course dependant on how you skilled your priest 3 tree. With enough points in mass heal you may be able to get away without that big ol cleric 2 but even then, the extra 10 heal tiles is irriplacable in most cases and mass heal has it’s own issues that you will have to deal with too.

#3

Thank for your opinions.
But when should I start to use the scrolls? I can’t afford the cost now at lv135 unless I go farming silver. I think that will be boring and tired.

#4

What are your skills ?
If you have a maxed Mass Heal, Revive 5+, maxed MDEF, and basically maxed defensive/healing skills, go for Krivis.
Zalciai will also give you an extra debuff for your Incineration.
As solo, Krivis > Cleric 2.

For party… Honestly, yeah, Heal 5 is enough most of the time if your party isn’t too dumb. But a lot of people are dumb. I often have idiots who eat all my heal tiles when they’re NOT dying. Just because they lost a bit of HP. I don’t mind on my healers with Heal 10, but I want to kil theml on my healers with Heal 5 (I usually do, I stop healing them and let them die <3)
But then you’ll have Revive, Stone Skin, MDEF, Mass Heal, Healing Factor, and such.
And if they die because they’re being stupid, then you can just laugh and tell them “git gud, bruh” :3

You should probably put more CON too, so you won’t have to use your heals for yourself and can strictly save them for your allies.

But anyway, if you have a maxed Mass Heal + Healing Factor + tons of protective buffs + Heal 5… just go for Krivis. The scrolls would be too expensive because you’ll need to use them constantly with all your buffs + teammaters’ party/self-buffs.

EDIT: If you really want to use the scrolls, you either get rich or be a cheapo and learn the buff limits of every classes, look at their builds, and see which skills they have as self-buffs so you can count.

#5

Look at it this way.

Other than bless and sacrement, the other buffs are all situational. Use them when they are needed.

Going up against a boss? Use stone skin.
Boss is gonna one hit people? Use revive.
Got 2 or more archers? Use monstrance.
Need aspersion? Dont bother with points, just buy it from the pardoner shops.

Just be prudent with your buffs and you really wont need the daino scrolls unless you somehow end up matched in a group with a thaum3, a chrono3 and/or a linker3.

#6

Thank for your opinions.
My Blessing15, Mass Heal10, Revive8, Stone Skin5, Mdef5(now1)
Do you think the Safety Zone5 without attribute is enough?

#7

I see. thank you so much.

#8

It is~ Safety Zone isn’t used that much by people, surprisingly. Because it’s too unsafe.
It’s a dangerous skill because people can’t know when it’ll disappear. I’ve had people almost die because they were basically camping my SZ until the time ran out/it broke (especially in Siauliai against the Mole).
Safety Zone 5 is good for people who’ll use a skill that needs a bit of preparation and for you to use your buffs without being interrupted.
Most people will go in it to prepare, then go out because they won’t trust it. I know a lot of people who have some trust issues with SZ because of that.
Also Safety Zone counts as a buff when you’re on it. Some people will avoid it on purpose because they’re at their buff limit.

The only time I see SZ 5 being a real problem will be when World Bossing.

@Kemonomimi
Revive is somehow short ranged, easy to dodge. So if someone is about to die they’ll usually run away in panic, so you have to chase them to Revive and the others will miss it -> waste of a great buff. He has to use it when the party is grouped as much as he can.
All bosses are mostly PATK, so he’ll use Stone Skin everytime the cd is over.
Blessing will be constantly up too.
Healing Factor will probably be too.
In some mob situation he’ll need both MDEF and Stone Skin (or in situations with mobs + bosses, like against Cerberus in 190 for example).
Sacrament, Aspersion and Monstrance are situational. Monstrance isn’t only for archers though, but also for DPS swordie builds.

And that’s 4-5 buffs already. You add shop Aspersion, that’s 5-6 buffs. If the people have also bought the shop Sacrament, then it’s 6-7, they’re basically at the limit but they still need to use their own buffs. Even without a Thaumaturge or Chrono, all the other classes will have minimum one self-buffs (my Archer for example has 3 self-buffs).
You also add the fact that some other classes have party buffs, like Pyro’s fire property, you always have a Wizard to use Reflect Shield and Sorcerer’s summon counts as a buff. Without the buff icon, they can’t call back their summon anymore.
And those classes aren’t rare. I have those in my missions 95% of the time.

I’m not saying it’s impossible for him, but since he wants to go with buffing classes, he’ll need Krivis or he’ll use scrolls too often. 1 scroll costs 3.5k to be crafted, so it’ll be like 4k in AH (if lucky, on Klaipeda at some point they were at 4.7-5k), and it only lasts 2ish minutes.
3.5k every 2 minutes is expensive for dungeons that take 30+ minutes to be cleared, isn’t it ?
If he didn’t have Pardoner and PD which add 2-3 buffs, yeah, he could go with Cleric 2 and just pay attention to the buffs. But he wants to go Pardoner and PD. What’s the point of being those classes if you don’t use their buffs ? I mean, sure, MDEF is situational, but Healing Factor isn’t, and at 200+ there are quite a lot of debuffs, both in dungeons and when grinding so he’ll also need Bloodletting.
And Krivis will help him solo too, Cleric 2 won’t.

#9

It seems that Krivis c1 is better for me. Thanks a lot!

#10

One of the bright sides of TOS is that aside from popular opinion, the truth might differ dependending on your playstyle.

My main character is a C1 > Krivis 2 > Bokor 3 > PD , it’s a pvp build(my only Heal HP skill is “heal” level 5 only) but when i party i equip a “hanaming gem glove” , increasing my healing to 6 tiles per cast and it’s done. i also carry many scrolls , like monstrance and Barriers in cases of emergency.

put in mind that it’s endgame (kinda for now) end every players should be a little auto sufficient, a litthe “tanky” if they want to make 220+ level maps , so a Mega healer full support is nice, but unnecessary 99% of the time. in resume, if you go Krivis you won’t regret , but a cleric 2 aint bad either, just not “mandatory” as some clarics states it is, good luck !

#11

For any Int build cleric2 is just too good to pass up on, and that’s when you ignore heal/safety zone’s survivability bonus.
Cure’s c2 high hit count and speed alongside both heal and cure double int scaling make it quite effective.
Divine might is also an excellent way to boost higher rank skills for your entire team.

Cleric2 for str/dex builds is also easily the best option. Paladins boost each heal via resto and dievdirbys needs safety zone/fade to set up statues safely.
For monks it has no real synergy, but they lack better alternatives anyway.

Priest3 builds are the main and arguably the only exception when it comes to cleric2 being a must have.
Obviously due to priest’s high buff count, innate healing, and spr scaling cleric2 won’t be that beneficial.
(Unless you go part int ofc, which is a lot better now in ktos due to the exorcise buff.)
Mind you it’s still a solid option, but krivis1 offers some decent competition.

ps, cleric2 started out as very unpopular after icbt2 due to the divine might nerf.
I’ve recommended it since the healing nerf, and the argument has not changed due it being popular now.

#12

The main reason why it had become popular again was due to them adding extra tiles passed 5. In icbt2 but before korea release, heal 6-15 were all still 5 tiles each and only increased the healing and damage. It was a well needed buff really.

That said, i dont quite agree with how you said that spr scaling cleric 2 wont be that beneficial while alongside pirest 3. I disagree quite a bit really. It only makes you even more unkillable. Completely and hilariously unkillable even in pvp.

#13

The whole point was that cleric1 used to be sufficient healing in icbt2, and priest’s mass heal was quite good as well.

But imc cut heal, mass heal and resurrect health recovery in half, which alongside said heal tile buff made cleric2 a must.

And even then it wasn’t popular for a long while. And raven & remiri would annoy you all day if you dared to imply as such.

And spr builds benefit less from cleric2 due to cure & heal’s double int scaling. Not a huge issue, but one worth stating imo.

#14

Oh i know. I even still tried to get away with cleric1 on my first ktos cleric. It just didnt work.

Honestly though, you can get away with just cleric 1 but your team has to be competent enough not to get hit by every bloody thing. That there is wishful thinking though hence when cleric 2 is so justifiable

#15

I’d pick cleric c2 over daino any day… why? Because it’s useless if you can spam buffs but struggles keeping your party mates topped up… especially in PUGs where i spend most of my time doing currently (missions and rushes).

Moreover as @Kemonomimi said, most buffs are situational and can be used as effectively needed. In skill spamming pts, sacra and last rites are a waste of buff slot… in a mission where everybody is the same level range, you mostly wont be needing revive (unless there’s a full STR / full INT build… which is kinda rare).

#16

Missions and rushes dont really count as anything buffwise. Very few people actually wait for Priest3 to unleash all their buffs before attacking the bosses. Quite funny to see them cry for heals while I still bring all those buffs up^^.
And others dont even care about buffs in the first place.