I really don’t understand the counter-argument to this. “Full support is completely necessary at all times.” I’ve yet to come across any content that needed a full support to be completed. Or even completed efficiently. In fact, Cleric C1 has had enough healing for everything. I haven’t seen Lvl 200 content so I could simply be wildly inaccurate. There’s a thousand ways to skin a cat and everyone seems to want to pigeon hole Sadhu as a pure DPS class. There will always be moments when a full support is just standing around doing nothing. They’re both valid options as far as I can tell and I wouldn’t want someone to craft a hybrid build only to be told 20 times that the idea is worthless. A class thread should be about discussing the possibility of interesting builds, not nay-saying anything that isn’t a part of the current meta.
We are doing exactly that and apparently some of us think that support sadhu is not a viable possibility.
Actually the combo of people doing Cleric->Krivis2->Sadhu2->Druid and Cleric->Priest3->Monk->?Paladin? is really strong for two people in a group complementing each other perfectly. The Sadhu gives Daino then Monk all the Priest buffs along with them both having damage on the physical and magical side. Then you’ve got 2 sets of heals and 2 strong DPS in the group pretty much capable of taking on anything. From there you can build into just about any setup with Swordsman/Mage classes like Linkers and Barbarians.
Nobody is really going to be like “Wow! You’ve got 10 more hits on your Safety Wall and Guardian Saint? Let me just invite you over the DPS buff machine that can pretty much solo everything!” considering everything. Cleric higher circles got nerfed into the ground after icbt1 it’s pretty bad man along with Pardoner and Oracle. They just are simply not as useful potential wise compared to other options when dissected under a microscope.
But hey! To each their own I suffered through Cleric 3 in the first beta and it WAS good when Divine Might added +10 skill levels and now really sucks. That’s why we’re here to test out things and figure what works and doesn’t. With the way things are right now going “pure support” isn’t as effective because of how they literally nerfed just about every aspect of doing it aside Priest3->Paladin2. You’re pretty much going to be carried all the time and that personally makes me feel like crap.
I honestly just want pardoner for the outfit.
your entitled to your opinon
Few days ago Steparu posted a vid of his level 200 dungeon run. He is Cleric -> c2 Kivri -> c2 Bokor -> Oracle. He is also the only support for the team, unless we count Wugshi and Corsairs as support. Doesn’t seem like they lack a full support, and the two Bokor tiers could easily have been Sadhu.
Having said that, I’m more interested in group PvP anyway. Surely they do not intend to remove OoB damage from group PvP, like discussed in this thread - Sadhu Question! (PvP) ?
Hey guys i was inspired by MrLero to play a Sadhu and it seems very funny to me, im now lvl 38 and grinding chapel.
but i think im not very effective because i went full int build so my auto attks deals no dmg and i only have to spam zaibas and cure for dmg. with cure i cant hit the flying monsters so i only have zaibas i can use the skill 2times in 30 seconds to kill the moster. if i hit them they mostly 1,2 or 3 hit but after this i have run around 30 secs till my skills are ready again and i start from beginning.
does anyone of u have any advice for me how i can improve my grind or is this the only way?
It’s pretty hard until you are a sadhu, especially pure int build. it was extremely annoying to solo especially due to zaibas being the only reliable thing to kill flying enemies and having no output once you’ve blown spells and are on cooldown. Try to find anyone in your level range to team up with to get you on your feet is the only advice i could give, but trust me; when you become a sadhu everything feels worth it.
When you get to lvl 50 try to run the chapel instance ASAP though for some extra levels. When you do become a sadhu you can probably stick around the mausoleum chapel ( torch heaven), it’s popular but efficient. I went there when i first changed and was able to instakill 2/4 of the spawning zones they have in a room.
tl;dr
You are a late bloomer
This may have been answered, but I couldn’t find it in this giant thread.
If you have armor that ads +elemental dmg (ex. boots that give +15 poison dmg), does that increase dmg from OOB?
I can’t really figure out how to gear my Sadhu.
Thanks,
-Kuya
It does. It doesn’t matter what element it is either, it’ll give full damage to each OoB attack.
Are you also spamming heal on them? It does amazing damage.
@tirannon
ofc i do but i need also the heal to heal myself, it also does no dmg to the flying monsters.
I use Cure, Zaibas and Heal for dmg. the dmg output is not the problem only the one i cant hit the flying ones with Cure and Heal, so i only have Zaibas, maybe i should go another stage at chapel to grind, that would be an idea
if i get a party there it would be so easy to grind there but most ppl just run solo there…in a mmo
Funny that I was pure SPR Priest C2, and after reset to pure DEX, I don’t find my heal does any worse (100 SPR heals 1008 HP from Mass Heal and 922 HP with 9 SPR). Besides, the worst thing being as a Full Support is that skills are in cooldown. Therefore, regardless you have a Full Support or not, having two people with Heal makes so much difference, as you are allow to make mistake (Mass Heal does not work well on someone who is running with low HP).
Paladin is better in pure support, but I see it better with two versatile healers in a group, where they can react to different situation. And I am not sure there is a pure tank to have a formal five men group. Most likely all five are being versatile on more than two roles, and it can be the Paladin being the tank instead (means you need another healer for backline).
If you’re talking about cleric heals, the formula (if TOSbase is accurate) is based of MaxHP and INT. Mass Heal on the other hand, I’m not familiar with the mechs.
I’d agree on the part where you say 2 healers are better than one. I have been soloing most of the content as a Cleric 1 > Krivis 2 > Sadhu til 100+ as of now. And I find that 2 casts of heals for me is more than enough. Bringing that up to a full party, maybe 2 DPS healers may work just fine if party members don’t faceroll and stand in stupid.
Anyway I find Sadhu quite unplayable in party as it is: Merely because any mage in the party that uses Reflect Shield will make the mobs take you out of OoB state even if in a Safety Zone, and take you out of Fade either.
Subweapons can buff oob damage? like arde dagger?
I thought when a weapon says “fire dmg +x” or something like this,
you had to attack with any fire skill to get this bonus
hummppp im thinking about controlling OOB with mouse and keyboard but its not working. will it be fixed? or will it remain like that? as far as i know its an AA type skill right?! so i hope when i click left button mouse it will AA a mob and auto follow it. sigh -_- now im disappointed in sadhu class. i want to build a PVP type class
Yes, arde dagger boosts your dmg.
Keyboard mode works OK, the mouse mode was designed later, but i’m certain they are aiming to fix these things already.
Does arde dagger buffs the damage for every hit or it gets divided by 3?
Elemental damage, no matter the flavor, adds onto every hit.