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Chaplain the forgotten

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

After R8 update, I can’t seem to find any update on Chaplain (latest is Oct 16) even though Chaplain’s (well and Priest) skills got a MAJOR overhaul (namely Blessing, ME, and Stone Skill). My questions:

  1. How do Chaplains fare after the (supposed) Blessing buff? Are they still viable?
  2. Which skill do they gravitate into? The latest build here picks Aspersion lv. 15
  3. What stats do they use now? Previous topics seems to prefer INT for magic damage, or SPR for Stone Skin.
  4. Do they still play as a 4-lined, mace-bonking, auto-attackers? or do they revert to the traditional Heal bomber and ME user?
#2

You WILL put chaplain’s skill to lower priority after you hit R7. Because at R8, they relied more on magic attacks and INT and usually end with either PD 2 or inquisitor to cover damage.

  1. It’s better. On high lv content, not that powerful buff but at least additional 300-400 bonus damage per hit (for int build) is still nice
  2. aspergillium only. I don’t know if others will take lv 15. Mine has 0 aspersion but I do believe difference is quite significant due to horrible scaling damage.
  3. INT is stronger for DPS as they will also boost ME and heal bomb. SPR is much weaker but slightly better blessing and satisfying block rate from stone skin. so SPR ultimately still more to support.
  4. not entirely. INT build will favor more to heal bomb and ME then AA if all skills on cooldown. on case of SPR though, aspergillium is the only you damage scales with. so you know the drill

people say that chaplain’s damage fall off hard on rank 8 and it’s true (but I believe they can be better. some people are just not trying to maximize attributes) they also lack support skills aside from last rites even though they are green icon. that’s why chaplains are forgotten

Edit 2: By fall off, I am referring to AA attacks. ME is still good but can’t used on high density mobs/required an empty space to transform to ME
and by lack support, capella is… well not used in most situation unless you are willing to throw 1k for instant eat 5 buff slot and people do not know what is capella…
anyways, to sum up it’s flawed and still needs buff

#3

I have priest 3 and chaplain with con/spr and is very sad to play. I don’t feel like I’m a suport.

In my opinion the problem is not the chaplain is what come before him, usualy people be a priest 3 and priest is everything except suport, for me priest is more “autoatack dps” (bad one) than other cleric job. I’m sorry if someone disagree with me, but bless and sacrament is a joke. Stone skin is a circle 3 skill and there is so much other better options for a circle 3 skill. Revive is okay.

They should make cleric only with the skill heal in circle 1 and make priest 3 circles with another heal option, mass heal have a long cd and is not enough.

No one wants me in the party because I don’t have damage , why they will pick a priest circle 3 while they can pick diev who is better and have heal? (for example). Priest don’t have space in this game because the other clerics jobs can heal and do damage.

So returning to your question you will not see chaplain since what come before him is bad. That’s my opinion. Sorry for my bad english and for the “bible text” is because I’m so frustraring for get priest 3 circle lol and watching people with diev/chorono better support than me lool.

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#4

Alright guys, ya’ll over exaggerate. Almost all lower rank skill damage falls off compared to r7-r8.
Do any of you even level attributes or invest in good gear?

For @Kupomancer Chaplain is not something meta. If you are fine with that read on.

  1. Chaplains are not necessary in the grand scheme of the game. Chaplains are more meant to give you yourself more solo viability and make your priest life easier. As for being viable, yes they are viable. Blessings buff has allowed for it to be a more wanted skill buff, especially with dps classes that have multiple hit skills/attacks. Remember Blessing is applied more than once to true multi-hits. You should understand why this will always be a good buff.

  2. The skill builds have not varied much. A vast majority of priests now max Blessing. Everything else is subject to what you want. Some Chaplains choose to get 1-5 in Exorcise for Magnus Exorcismus. As you know Aspersion lvl 15 is not necessary, but has its perks with the 48% bonus physical defense, as for damage, well little is to be desired. As I am a Con/Spr and love being tanky I went with max aspersion.

  3. The stats we choose hasn’t changed much either. (I’ll be a little vague on this as I am a firm believer of build diversity)

  4. Yes and no. As the 4-lined mace bonking is mainly just filler damage depending on your gear, stats, and future ranks. As for the second part of the question refer to answer 2.

I personally have a Cleric 1, Krivis 1, Priest 3, Chaplain 1, Plague Doctor 2. In solo I get by with Black Death, setting stuff on fire, than smashing those burning things in the face will I tank all the damages. In a party I simply buff/debuff teamates/enemies, heal, and dish out damage whenever possible, while still tanking all the damages. This is how I like to play my character, it works very well for me.

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#5

Helps with soloing yes. What priest+chap needs is party love. He has a green icon, but his support buff is not the best. If cappella and rites are better support buffs im sure chaps willl be more wanted. Right now its more of magnus and asper for dmg. As for priest, i actually see priest as a good support except that your support buffs can be bought from a shop. That makes one of your most powerful late game defense buff (aspersion) less useful since people can just go with buff shop and get a different cleric

#6

Priest more an auto-attacker than support… ?
With Res, Revive, Stone Skin, Mass Heal, Blessing ? Priest is a buffer, and here to res, it’s certainly not an auto-attacker or anything like that.
Also Mass Heal 10 is a total babe. With Divine Might it’s a super fast +30% HP aoe heal. If you’re good at using it, it’s worth it.

Priests have a role. But you took Chaplain, who doesn’t bring much as a support (so it’s kind of a waste of a circle) so yeah, you won’t be as liked as someone who took other support/utility classes with their Priest 3.
Priest (1, 2 or 3) isn’t disliked at all, people love Revive, people love Res, people love Stone Skin.
You don’t have damages because you aren’t a damage class. Priest 3 isn’t meant to do damages at all.
Chaplain is more for solo damages, and only at lower level content, since it’s only a R5 class, the damages will fall off (IMC is terrible at balancing stuff).
If one wants to be taken mostly as a DPS, then one should take DPS classes in their build.

A Diev 3 is great, but Heal 2 + Diev 3 won’t always be enough if you can’t resurrect or don’t have any other protective skills.
I’ve seen parties being wiped with C2Diev3PD2, because the lack of Res is really bad if you can’t revive inside whatever you’re doing.

#7

They all said Chaplain died back in R7. This is mostly why. :slight_smile:

PS: Not endorsing Chaplain, just doubling-down on @megamanex14’s point being the root of most (NOT ALL) issues :stuck_out_tongue:

People don’t like being partied with others who don’t even bother to gear up and/or are not talented in their gameplay to make up for said lack of equipment. Especially if you yourself take the time and effort to gear up or [git gud]. My 2 cents! :sunny:

PS: This is only prevalent in pugs running ET or full run dungeons (since you need effort).

#8

I’m not exaggerating. I’m even one of them who agree chaplain needs buff

I’m even one of those heavy SPR build and hence I said, I believe… I have no idea with INT…

dude, I play the class itself and I have lv 65 aspersion. why you’re throwing a bait here? [quote=“profilefakedofe, post:3, topic:344331”]
No one wants me in the party because I don’t have damage , why they will pick a priest circle 3 while they can pick diev who is better and have heal? (for example). Priest don’t have space in this game because the other clerics jobs can heal and do damage.
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Are you sure? I am levelling pretty much fine when people asking for healer when party and they accepted me fine so far…is the community there have mindset no damage = useless? :confused:

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#9

I am not strictly referring to you when making this statement, especially so if you actually level your attributes. A majority of the people on the forums do not invest very much into their class, then proceed to come on the forums and tell others what is not always entirely true.

Yes I do believe Chap needs a buff, but so do a vast majority of other low rank classes.

I myself have aspersions attribute at 75, I must reach 100 before 20% attribute event goes away…

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#10

Woah okay so to summarize, Chaplain got ditched because they are a half-baked solution to everything, right? I personally just realized recently that I have zero idea what a Chaplain is supposed to do. I mean their icon is green but 2 of their skills are DPS that fall off hard, and the other 2 are buff skills that is either impractical (Capella, too expensive and stationary) or gimmicky (Last Rites, needs HP under certain percentage to have noticeable effect). The 3 circles worth of Priest was never a problem because people loves Resurrection, Revive, Mass Heal, Stone Skin, and Blessing.

I’ll still grab Chaplain (probably) because I really want to gimp myself be the special snowflake. All I ask is that if you see a Chaplain, please be generous and invite them to your party. Our auto-revive has 100% uptime and we got dem yummy Blessing!

By the way, have any of you guys tested the buffed up ME yet? I’m looking forward to the return of Heal bombers :kissing_heart:

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#11

just a support

nothing special bcoz other god tier support like chronomancer is here

all ppl need from cleric is cleric2 and diev in some content

revive is good but do ppl need revive when take 1 damage from mob

other cleric do more damage than blessing buff

their are many forgotten class not just chaplain

#12

They should be front line battle supports…offensive supports imo.

Since when does it have noticeable effect? I seriously asking if I missed something…but last time with maxed Sacrament it only gave 10… TEN extra holy damage…like whytf should I try to die for that? XD
The only thing that is good in last rites as I know is that it adds another extra line to AA.

For Capella… my biggest problem is that at bosses… where I could actually use it more easily as a stationary stuff… It gets destroyed so easily… then I just stand there with my shitty duration buffs that I can put on manually because my Capella is on cooldown…

#13

So you are basically saying that Chaplain fails at their role? Because as “Offensive Support” Chaplains aren’t on demand 24/7 for “support” unlike Chronos that probably can link or have light nukes (heck, they might not be on demand at all if the party deems res and rev unnecessary), and their “offense” looks like a cruel, finger-hurting, kite-able joke (unless we’re talking about ME which got buffed to “serviceable”. I saw an awesome video on youtube showcasing this :3).

#14

Haha…well… kinda yes… …and ME is good but still a bit annoying to use.
I don’t think they fail THAT much btw…but Last Rites should be better for sure…and Capella should be useable too…

I daydream too much I know…

But I also always say that higher circles could help Chap too… Capella for example on higher levels would have enough duration to just put it down and leave it (but at the same time when you can you could refresh the buffs to use less material for it)… ME would have more duration and damage.
And then imagine the attributes we could get and new skills that higher circles could offer :’)

I also just had that thought that I think the exorcise part on Chaplain is kinda forced and I think that could be separated to another Priest3-only EXORCIST hidden class XD… but that’s just a wild thought that came into my mind. Even tho that’s a good skill and mechanically somewhat fits…

#15

That is an awesome idea XD but Miko and Taoist are already exorcists from their respective cultures though, and I thought Priest does perform exorcism? I don’t know man, I’m no christian.

I’m kinda torn between INT and SPR now :sob:
SPR seems useful now for Blessing and Stone Skin, but on the other hand, INT looks really enticing. This is mainly because many skills like Heal, Cure, Aspergillum, Zaibas (hey, even support Chronos gonna need some of me Daino), Exorcism/ME, AND even Blessing scales with INT. I don’t know man, I’m lost… I’m not exclusively into auto-attack but do you have any suggestion for me?

#16

Priests are/can be exorcists and that’s why I said Priest 3 could get it as another alternative hidden class…and yeah they are the christian version of the others… X) On the other hand while Chaplains are Priests I don’t think Exorcism is one of their duties…or not their main one… I think they just made it as the tos version of Chap. Also I can be wrong… I just somewhat looked at the wiki and that’s all xD I know nothing about these.

For INT or SPR… It’s a hard choice you have to make… xD Unfortunately I don’t think it’s rly worth to split your stats too much… Especially that you may want to get some CON too… but that became a bit quiestionable too since you can get HP from lot of gears and stuff too nowdays…but then you are too gear dependant imo…so yeah… Everything about stats gives me headache…

If you are going for the ME caster route I think INT should be better…

I have an SPR Inquisitor-Chaplain btw… I’m working on my AAs so I thought SPR is the stat for me. Stone Skin helps me more to be able to survive in the frontline and Blessing scales my AA lines.
(Also I have Inquisitor because it can strengthen my AAs with Malleus adding to every line the enemy’s matk)

#17

Chaplains are for the most part just priests that are stationary/bound to a certain place (hospital, chapel, university, barracks) which is the reason they can put down the Capella. They are less about exorcism and stuff and more about religious guidance and Last Rites.