I know the ‘accepted’ build for cataphract’s base is a S1-P1-H1 progression but why not two in Peltasta? or maybe some take an extra circle in Sword. Is the Swashbuckling sufficient at lvl5?
I can’t exactly pinpoint the reasons for these and I hope that I can get some info on the reasons for the build. Thanks in advance.
Hoplite C1 advantages:
yo!
My build is Sword>pelt2>…
Why? Because i want to tank and having extra block will help me to do it.
Why ppl take hoplite? To use 1h spear. Cataphact only offers 2hSpear att to learn … and if you want to use Swb you’ll need to weapon swap every time.
Hi, my lvl 235-Sword1->Pelt C2->Cata C3->Dragoon.
Damage would not so much as we would like. But aggro the whole glade is something 
At the time, I did not see that the Fenestra has 3 AOE 
Thanks dragoons raised little damage, and the game became more cheerful.
U gain the 3 AOE from leveling up the skill to level 3 and learning the attribute
Cataphract 3 has Rush. You can use a 1H spear or a 2H spear for it. This allows for some interesting encounters, because 1H spears will also allow you to Block incoming physical attacks/skills while using Rush. This is especially effective with Stone Skin.
Finestra from Hoplite is also valuable for “tanking,” because it offers a bonus to Block by a % amount per level. You don’t just get the utility from Finestra. You can also bolster it with the Zega Spear. Incidentally, it’s a 1H spear that magically increases every Hoplite skill by 2 when it’s equipped. This means extra Block rate. With Finestra 7, Stoneskin, and Guard active at the same time…I can get well above 4k Block as a Pelt1. (Screenshot not available, but you can test it yourself.)
There comes to a point where you won’t be standing in one place to Guard against a mob. It certainly won’t help against magic mobs either. Extra damage is much appreciated in parties. This is especially true if the “tank” that has the mob aggro is also able to deal damage instead of sitting on their butt using Guard 24/7 with the occasional Swash to refresh Provoke. Lategame scenario is also really harsh on “tanks” that can’t pull and kite mobs properly.
Off topic reminder: Provoke = Swordsman 1’s attribute Provoke. Please level the attribute to 10 to be an effective “tank.” Nobody wants a Pelt3 with Swash Buckling 15 if their Provoke attribute is only Lv1. It’s why you see mobs getting pulled away from the “tank” whenever the DPS go ham on the mobs. Getting real tired of people thinking Swash Buckling is all they need to “Provoke” and calling the skill itself “Provoke.”
so ur saying hoplite c2 isnt as useful as picking dragoon after cata3?
well cata 3 with bonuses from pet can be a good tank but as DD including dragoon sucks, at lvl 245 to kill a single mob over 100k hp lost almost half of hp (i have 27K hp) and have to use mi skill rotation 4 times while i see an archer killing those mobs easily while kiting
what are your stats and gear?
Hoplite 2 isn’t going to help you as much as Dragoon in terms of “DPS” is the bottom line. You get more effective damage rotations with all the attack skills Dragoon offers. It’s too bad Dragoons don’t synergize well with Cataphract at the same time, because it forces you to unmount for the Dragoon skills.
Dragoon on the other hand tends to go together with Hoplite 2 for the extra Pierce damage modifier from Spear Lunge as well as extra Crit rate from Finestra. This option is closed to you if you decide to go Pelt 2.
So based on what you’ve mentioned, I’m assuming you’re juggling between something similar to Swordie>Pelt1>Hoplite1>Cata1>Cata2>Cata3>Dragoon
or
Swordie>Pelt1>Hoplite1>Cata1>Cata2>Cata3>Hoplite 2
If you’re considering Pelt 2 though…it’d be something like Swordie>Pelt1>Pelt2>Cata1>Cata2>Cata3>Dragoon
(^You can probably already tell, but this class progression does not synergize well with itself. You’d have to weapon switch to 2H spears to do damage at all…which means no stationary tanking for you. Only “kiting” style of tanking when you’re using a 2H spear to inflict damage.)
Wait are you serious about the unmounting things? I thought dragoon was cata friendly…
1 hand spear usage is extremely good in 170 tier since the best spear becomes hands down brandish + Arde/Kiracha+Ledas. Not to mention all of the crap you can do with 1h+Shield you can’t do with 2hand
Also +5 ATK range is USELESS, its literally like a centimetre longer.
I think hop1 is more valuable for the +3 AOE attack ratio, and hop2 makes it 100% up time.
WTFudgeeeee are you talking about UNMOUNTING BSS please ohh pleaseeeeee do some researchhh!!!
DRAGON DOESNT UNMOUNT YOU AT ALLL WTF
FYI : @minisgreatonepwnsall
the usual for a swodie build 80 con- 300+ str and 80 dex weapon elements and other 170-220 gear
I take back my statement then if that’s the case. I’ve heard two different stories from people on both these forums and reddit regarding the Dragoon skills.
In that regard, I’d say Dragoon should synergize well with Cataphract.
Well will having extra block and crit from finestra 10 be better than having 3 new attack skill from dragoon for cata3
Why not Swordsman>Pelt>Hop>CataC3>Pelt?
EDIT: Thoughts on SM>Pelt>Hop>CataC3>SM?
Because high guard will neutralize the crit benefit from finestra
Just drop a rank in Cata and your damage skyrockets, you trade off 5 speed (useless in pve) and a a few seconds downtime on trot.
Pelt>Hop>hop2>cata>cata2>dragoon. Dps is way higher at the loss of a slight amount of mobility. Using zega it gives you +2 hop skills on each and the 100% increase to peirce dmg buff to make the dragoons skills hit like a truck (as well as lvl10 stabbing).
you either go cata3 or u dont.
Rush is a very good skill.
and CATA skills isn’t usless in PvE.
All cata skills are AOE and multihit on a decently low CD. very good for farming and grinding.
You cant farm boss in this game because there is a DGN limit.
Only top tier DPS team get WB drop
And quest Boss is 1time kill only.
Hoplite is a boss killer. There is no boss you can farm