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Cata-Lancer > Cata-Dragoon... after major balance patch? (Dethrone nerfed?)

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

https://tos-kr.neet.tv/skill-planner

Based on the above skill planner

BEFORE PATCH:
lvl5 Dethrone: 16570 damage x2, overheat 2 - 16s cd
lvl 10 Gaebulg: 5798 damage, overheat 1 - 30s cd
lvl5 Quintain: 8683 damage, overheat 2 - 21s cd
lvl5 Crush: 6543 damage, overheat 2 - 26s cd
lvl5 God Smash: 7506, overheat 3 - 30s cd

AFTER PATCH:
lvl5 Dethrone: 619% x2, overheat 2, - 16s cd
lvl10 Gaebulg: 1506%, overheat 1 - 30s cd
lvl5 Quintain: 1284% damage, overheat 2 - 21s cd
lvl5 Crush: 1424% damage, overheat 2 - 26s cd
lvl5 God Smash: 1537%, overheat 3 - 30s cd

What does this tell you?

I think I might want to reset my SW3>Cata3>Goon2 to… SW3>Pelt1>Cata3>Lancer1…

What do you guys think? Dethrone as of now is really the top damage skill and reason people go full dex crit attack… After the major patch Crush and Quintain seems to be able to keep up in PvE content as well!

#2

Dragoon 2 should be remove in Rank 8 tier and put it at Circle 2 instead. Even at rank 2, I dont think people will even pick it. So garbage, it perfectly represent the whole “rebalance” of IMC.

IMC is forcing people into Lancer because it means more variety in class building and Stat building. Thats pathetic way of promoting your class so more people will use it. Instead of being creative, they chose the most easiest and dumbest way.

Rush is also garbage, so there is no reason to go with Cata 3 anymore. Cata2 + Utility seems good than Cata 3. Rush in TBL will only means stun locking purposes only, pathetic damage and mana problem will only gimp your chances of winning. Spending 6 ranks for mediocre damage and for Stun locking is dumb, because of the existence of Cleric status immunities and their full con stats. IMC really did a great job making Swordman in PVP shitier even further.

Swordmen in PVP only hope is making class reset be able to changed into different classes. Eg. sword-cleric or sword-wiz. To avoid this disgusting balancing.

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#3

Agreed… no doubt I had alot of fun leveling my catagoon all this time but now I am starting to feel the pain of being left behind. The ONLY redeeming factor for me about playing catagoon now is yes stun-locking people in TBL with rush for the lol and dethroning.

All this time I had hoped for the major balance patch to buff Dragoon but instead of buff it seems they were nerfed instead like wtf. I expected Gae Bulg to get like 3000% damage on par with damage of other high damage skills like musketeer but it seems IMC wants to keep gae bulg as a buff/debuff skill and even the debuff/buff is pathetic.

And finally Dethrone has indeed been “de-throned” as the damage king skill. It gets a pathetic 619% x 2 which is COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT with it’s 16k x2 flat damage before! WHY?! Now it’s just another debuff skill which roots people in place.

I saw some videos of siaulai solo and there is a monk3-inquisitor1 taking less than HALF the time it took a dragoon to solo it! And the catagoon had to drink SP pot like a maniac, rush barely doing any damage. It’s just pathetic!

Lancer with the crush>quintain skills does better burst damage than serpentine>dethrone now. While the entire cataphract skilltree just do non-existent damage.

I already invested a Cripple (2h spear) on my catagoon and doubt I can make a sudden switch to a dopple. At least I still have a cleric whom I think I will reset to something like a druid3 or monk3 inquisitor.

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#4

Serpentine debuff increases damage from everyone, including your early rank classes (that are a lot stronger than before, you don’t rely only on rush to do damage).

Dragoon isn’t supposed to be exclusively Cata so keep this in mind when you think about the balance and also… everything will be reliant on weapon attack now so no more16k base damage nuke with almost 0 investment to kill stuff in ANY tree.

I still like D2. Dethrone also works as a CC, has a huge range and two overheats and Gae bulg is much stronger now… Dragoon c2 is balanced imo.

Lancer might me a little bit stronger now if you’re thinking only on soloing but things may change again… IMC should have tested more before bringing the patch to us but…

#5

Just look at how pathetic cataphract has gotten… Doom spike and Earth wave is still fake multihit and do garbage damage… Rush do ■■■■ damage as well.

Yup… I think I’m just gonna respec out of cata and go with something else this time. Maybe SW3>Barb3>Goon2

#6

I hope Samurai will be released soon. To redeem the lost honor by using the only skill of samurai “seppuku”. It would fit as another hidden class of Swordsman. Or buff squire cooking capabilities so we could pride ourselves as best cook of Cleric and Wiz.

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#7

I only see some broken â– â– â– â–  finally getting more balanced. And not just talking about Swordsman.

#8

I think they may have killed cata-goon.

I’m kinda intrigued in corsair builds this time around.

#9

Actually I think they killed “Cataphracts” to be exact. Now the only thing it’s good for is TBL rush stun.

While Dethrone is no longer the beast it used to be judging by the numbers, we still have goon3 to hope for a new super powerful damage ability…

So I am thinking about resetting into maybe a SW3>Barb3>Goon2… What do you think?

#10

Have anyone seen a good equiped catagoon? All kTos videos that i have seen are underleveled people with shitty weapons
Damage now comes almost purely from your weapon.
I have a Stage6 regard horn pike +8, if you take that damage into calculations it still hits like a truck. I want to test this next week tho, but i dont think is dead, you just rely more on your weapon than the base damage.

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#11

In SEA, there’s YugiMori he have solmiki set and regard horn pike all stage 10. My +10 stage 8 regard horn pike deals 1 damage to him lol

#12

that is from pre-balance though right? the new patch is supposed to prevent 1 damage from happening

#13

Not seeing how rush is bad now…it is 5266% over the entire duration, if all hits land. For PVP as long as you have a decent weapon, it will still do healthy damage.

For PVE…well idk roll dopple or fencer…lol

#14

The duration is 10 seconds. Almost any offensive classes can burst in just 3, 4 seconds.

Cyclone deal 3x more damage per seconds, with more procs per seconds (more stuns) and the spell have overheat + can be used without weapon restriction. The only use in PvP is for stun-lock, not damages itself.

#15

Yeah, pre-balance. /20char

#16

The duration being 10 seconds is actually a good thing for PVP, it means you are locking down your opponent for longer. You can’t simply ignore the damage it is doing, it is still significant.

#17

Just wanna confirm if [earth wave] and [doom spike] are still fake multihit skills.

#18

Yuuuuup.
/20 Characters.