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Buff interactions question pardoner PD

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#1

Hello, im hoping someone who has experience or knows how these work would clarify these. because i have yet to reach there and there isnt sufficient info online. Thank you very much

  1. Discerning evil can only apply to 5 units after attributes right? So can pandemic spread discerning evil to other units? Because DE doesnt seem to be a debuff (no icon on enemies)

  2. Incineration only works on units that already have 1 debuff on? And does absolutely nothing to enemies with no debuffs? Its a rumor i saw online

  3. If incineration was casted before, will extra debuffs applied on burning units later increase the existing incineration duration?

  4. Just to confirm, pandemic does not spread DZ, monstrance and exorcise right? But will these debuffs benefit incinerate since they are tile based.

  5. Extra question: can pardoner skills like magic def and discerning evil be made into scrolls with simony?

Thanks in advance and hopefully i get confirmed answers rather than theories. :slight_smile:

#2

Discerning evil is not a lasting debuff. It applies once only, and it will check all current debuffs on the target. After checking debuffs, it extends them by X seconds. If the same debuff is reapplied, its duration is reset - and you will have wasted discerning evil’s time extension.

Not a rumor, it is correct. Incineration cannot be applied without a debuff on the target. You need at least 1 debuff before incineration will be applied to the target(s). Incineration itself will be applied as a debuff. Discerning evil will extend incineration.

Debuffs applied after incineration will not increase its duration.

Pandemic does not spread monstrance, does not spread deprotected zone, and does not spread excorcise.

Pardoner skills cannot be made into scrolls with simony.

Edit: please note that Discern Evil is NOT targeted. It will be cast directly in front of your character, no matter which target you have selected currently. It is an AoE of 4x4 tiles directly towards the direction you are facing. Discern evil is visually shown as purple clockfaces on top of the enemy.

Discern evil will extend all debuffs, even if they are applied for a brief second. I’ve even managed to extend Heal Tile damage with discern evil.

Video incinerate + discern evil:

#3

Thanks so much for your response. So to sum it up if i want to combo incineration with discerning evil. I can only do it to a maximum of 5 people then since i cant spread discerning.

So since 1 debuff is needed to make incineration work, then the first debuff will give incineration its base 5 secs? Or 7 secs since each debuff is supposed to be+2secs?

About the simony, thats just sad, i wanted to share scrolls to my other character :confused:

Haha iv seen the video, that’s why I know incinerate and discern works. But i didnt know DE can extend heal duration? Works with cure as well? But cure has a hit limit

#4

Yes, max 5 targets, unless you get more pardoners in your party or get a Pass from chronomancer 3.

The first debuff grants 7 seconds, if you have incineration lvl 5, yes.

Cure will not be extended due to its hit limit, I haven’t been able to extend cure.

Note incineration is a rank 3 debuff. If you manage to get it on a PvP target, and extend it through discern evil, your target(s) will die 100% to its magic DoT if they cannot remove it or have invulnerability. Plague doc fumigate is the only rank 3 debuff removal in-game.

#5

Haha thats nice. But when you extended heal timer it doesnt continue to dmg them right?

The combo certainly is good in pvp but seems to be less amazing in pve because of the 5 target limit except for bosses maybe. If only it can be done to the entire mob haha. I believe chaplain has better sustained dps from aspergillum? Just that it seems dangerous to have to fight in melee

#6

I don’t recall. I never noted it, perhaps I am mistaken. I thought the heal will damage enemies once the extended debuff time had ended.

Incineration is close-ranged too. I don’t believe Chaplain standard attacks are superb later on in the game.

Edit: craft dispellers and give them to your alt.

#7

But im currently priest 3 instead of krivis though so i have more friendly buffs and lack debuffs for incineration. So i probably would just go chap PD then. Im starting a new krivis and may go pardoner to make daino scrolls for my priest. But thing is, krivis debuffs are good for Incineration yet i cant decide whether i should go for taoist instead, seems to buff zaibas lightning dmg

#8

If you leave out pardoner, possibilities are priest3 cler2 krivis plague D, priest3 chaplain krivis plague D, and priest3 chaplain cler2 plague D.

Zalciai cannot debuff flying enemies, because it won’t hit them (ground targets only).

If you’d like to go taoist to boost zaibas damage, atleast go krivis3 for maximum zaibas damage.

#9

Yea for my current char i will just go cleric 2 priest 3 chap plague… For my new char im planning to go cleric 2 krivis 3 pardoner 1 but rank 7 not sure. Rank 8 taoist. Should i take bokor for hexing or something else? Cant make up my mind haha. Pardoner is there just for daino scrolls mainly to pass to my overbuffing chaplain doctor